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  • rob745 hours ago
    &gt; <i>Shockingly, Franklin.com, with its 85 words of unstyled HTML, still links to the latest iterations of these devices.</i><p>If you look at the source code of this page, you&#x27;ll be even more shocked: looks like it&#x27;s simply a MS Word document saved as HTML, it&#x27;s overly complicated and contains lots of &quot;Mso*&quot; classes. And no, it&#x27;s not unstyled either, it&#x27;s just that on computers that don&#x27;t have Times New Roman installed, the browser falls back to the same serif font that is used for unstyled text (and if you have it installed, it&#x27;s probably the default serif font or indistinguishable from it).
    • ctmnt4 hours ago
      That is amazing. Compounded by the fact that there&#x27;s a product listed as &quot;COMING SOON JULY 2025&quot;! This isn&#x27;t an abandoned site.
      • fauria2 hours ago
        Also, the footer reads &quot;© 2026 FEP Holding Company LLC&quot; (probably not automated, the web seems like an HTML exported Word document).<p>Wikipedia article: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Franklin_Electronic_Publishers" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Franklin_Electronic_Publishers</a>
        • celsoazevedo2 hours ago
          That part uses javascript to get the year: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;celsoazevedo.com&#x2F;files&#x2F;2026&#x2F;franklin-date.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;celsoazevedo.com&#x2F;files&#x2F;2026&#x2F;franklin-date.png</a><p>The &quot;Last-Modified&quot; HTML header suggests it was last updated on &quot;Sat, 05 Jul 2025 04:27:21 GMT&quot;: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;celsoazevedo.com&#x2F;files&#x2F;2026&#x2F;franklin-mod.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;celsoazevedo.com&#x2F;files&#x2F;2026&#x2F;franklin-mod.png</a>
    • 404mm5 hours ago
      Maybe it was done with MS FrontPage? I still remember that hot pile of garbage. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Microsoft_FrontPage" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Microsoft_FrontPage</a>
      • ForHackernews5 hours ago
        &lt;meta name=Generator content=&quot;Microsoft Word 15 (filtered)&quot;&gt;
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  • marshray1 hour ago
    Selling clones of name-brand personal computers! What has this world come to?<p>I hope the courts will stamp out these Intellectual Property thieves quickly or they will become a real threat to computing.
  • WillAdams7 hours ago
    For the effect this had on Apple, see:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.folklore.org&#x2F;Stolen_From_Apple.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.folklore.org&#x2F;Stolen_From_Apple.html</a>
    • chasil42 minutes ago
      Bearing in mind that Jobs famously intended to &quot;knife the baby,&quot; referring to the cash flow from the 6502 machines, it is ironic that he fought to stop this clone.<p>I remember this phrase from a stage play, <i>The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs</i>, but Google shows this source:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;1998&#x2F;11&#x2F;06&#x2F;were_talking_about_knifing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;1998&#x2F;11&#x2F;06&#x2F;were_talking_about_kn...</a><p>The play doesn&#x27;t even have its own wiki.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mike_Daisey#The_Agony_and_the_Ecstasy_of_Steve_Jobs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mike_Daisey#The_Agony_and_the_...</a><p>He also put a stop to the clone PowerMacs when he returned to Apple in the 90s.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Macintosh_clone" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Macintosh_clone</a>
      • WillAdams27 minutes ago
        Yeah, but the Apple ][ was so vital to Apple&#x27;s survival&#x2F;cash flow that they made a disastrous deal:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.folklore.org&#x2F;MacBasic.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.folklore.org&#x2F;MacBasic.html</a><p>and the PowerMac clones weren&#x27;t doing anything interesting and were simply cannibalizing Mac sales, cutting into Apple&#x27;s profits --- really wish at least one of them had made a tablet unit w&#x2F; a Wacom digitizer, but that was too small a market as Axiotron found when they did the ModBook (which I still regret not buying).
    • amelius2 hours ago
      Good artists copy, great artists steal ...
      • WillAdams2 hours ago
        Please provide one example of &quot;art&quot; which Franklin originated.
        • amelius29 minutes ago
          I mean, if you put a Mac or MacOS in a museum next to Picasso, that would make many people cry.<p>When people think of a Mac as &quot;art&quot;, we call that an occupational hazard.<p>So if you call a Mac art, you might as well call any computer art.
          • WillAdams25 minutes ago
            I can remember the 16-page _Newsweek_ ad quite vividly --- the Mac was something special, and even its spiritual successor, the NeXT Cube did not reach the level of artistic flair which the Mac hit as a quick perusal of:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.folklore.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.folklore.org</a><p>would argue.<p>Moreover, it made the cut at at least one museum:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moma.org&#x2F;collection&#x2F;works&#x2F;3742?artist_id=10295" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moma.org&#x2F;collection&#x2F;works&#x2F;3742?artist_id=10295</a><p>(and there are 24 other items by Apple in that collection)<p>and yes, they have a Picasso as well:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moma.org&#x2F;calendar&#x2F;exhibitions&#x2F;5530" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moma.org&#x2F;calendar&#x2F;exhibitions&#x2F;5530</a>
  • MisterTea4 hours ago
    The first computer I touched was a Franklin Ace 1200 which my father bought. It had a joystick and a Sakata video monitor. The first game I remember playing is Short Circuit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FoY8iWJAgVQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FoY8iWJAgVQ</a>. It was replaced by a Canon 8088 then by an AT&amp;T PC6300. I don&#x27;t know who my father sold it to but he kept the Sakata and it floated around until I realized you could hook a Nintendo to it. Then it became our gaming&#x2F;VCR monitor. That monitor is still in my mothers basement.<p>Years later I&#x27;m working for a small business out on LI who never threw anything out. I got really lucky and obtained a full Franklin Ace 1200 with Sakata, Mits Altair 8800b and an IBM System 23. All in boxes. All manuals and software. Crazy. I took the whole haul home. I need to setup a museum&#x2F;computer room one day.
    • justin662 hours ago
      &gt; IBM System 23<p>Not to discount the awesomeness of the others, but that&#x27;s a real prize. Talk about a strange artifact of its time and place!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;IBM_System&#x2F;23_Datamaster" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;IBM_System&#x2F;23_Datamaster</a>
      • sleepybrett1 hour ago
        My uncles dairy had a datamaster in a back office that they used for the books, etc. I wonder what happened that that, it&#x27;s no doubt stuffed into some haybarn loft.
      • ern_ave2 hours ago
        8 inch floppies! wow.
        • justin661 hour ago
          Yeah, that&#x27;s extremely cool. The wiki page had me at:<p><i>The Datamaster was IBM&#x27;s only 8-bit microcomputer and one of the few to use the EBCDIC encoding.</i>
        • MisterTea2 hours ago
          The machine came with a few new boxes of 8&quot; still in the cellophane.
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  • NittLion782 hours ago
    Never used a Franklin, but I remember the Albert which was a IIe clone. Had a voice synthesizer which you could type words into and it would say them back (poorly) which as a young kid was a good time. Also had a stylus&#x2F;drawpad for graphics which was kinda neat. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Albert_(computer)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Albert_(computer)</a><p>I remember the text <i>Games Apples Play</i> and typing the code manually in from the pages on that machine in Basic. Some of them were pretty fun. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;gapa2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;gapa2</a>
    • WillAdams1 hour ago
      Possibly from Cognivox? I remember getting their voice synthesizer&#x2F;recognition module for the Apple ][ at school when I was young.
    • sleepybrett1 hour ago
      My friend, who&#x27;s data was a swapmeet&#x2F;fleamarket&#x2F;gunshow guy, brought one home (a franklin 500, the &#x2F;&#x2F;c clone) for him. Seemed to run all the pirated floppies that I the friend group had accumulated for our &#x2F;&#x2F;e&#x27;s just fine. I remember liking it&#x27;s black and grey case&#x2F;keyboard colorscheme.
  • NoSalt1 hour ago
    That was a great read, and I loved the retro computer ads. It really makes me nostalgic for the heady days of the &quot;wild west&quot; of home computers and the internet.<p>* Under Construction * anyone???
  • josh11b2 hours ago
    &gt; This newsletter does not contain ads, ...<p>It most definitely contains ads since it is about ads.
  • fortran777 hours ago
    I don’t understand why this post is so negative on Franklin. They seemed great.
    • dwgumby6 hours ago
      I worked at Franklin and was one an early hire. Using the Apple ROM code was an explicit choice. There was no real defined API so a lot of apps called random routines in ROM or referenced arbitrary ROM data and if it wasn’t there the app broke. Franklin’s argument was that the ROM <i>was</i> the API and if you wanted to be compatible it had to be identical.<p>Court didn’t agree, probably rightfully so. But Franklin was a fun place to work. It survived for years after the court decision and pivoted to making handheld gadgets. Their electronic Bible was apparently really popular in some circles.
      • drzaiusx115 hours ago
        Honestly their argument works for me. It truly cannot be &quot;100% compatible&quot; without sharing the same memory layout&#x2F;contents in this case.<p>Unfortunately for Franklin, that also meant that full compatibility comes hand and hand with trademark &amp; copyright violations. I find it more &quot;sad&quot; than &quot;upsetting&quot; as the original author implies in this piece.<p>Personally, I love cloned hardware and software. I seek out clones when I can and even make my own (for fun, not profit.) I have a few Atari 2600 hardware clones I designed and built along with eprom cloning software and burning hardware. Not for any real reason, just because I like figuring out how hardware and software works and cloning is often a means to that end.
        • justin663 hours ago
          &gt; Unfortunately for Franklin, that also meant that full compatibility comes hand and hand with trademark &amp; copyright violations.<p>Franklin eventually released a couple of clones which were compatible and had a clean BIOS (the 500 and 2000). I&#x27;m not sure about full compatibility but I never encountered anything that wouldn&#x27;t run on my 500. To be fair, I got the thing in the mid nineties and only ran a few programs on it...
          • sleepybrett1 hour ago
            Growing up my friend had one (a 500), I don&#x27;t remember finding anything in my pile of pirated floppies that he couldn&#x27;t run.
        • djmips3 hours ago
          How do you design Atari 2600 clones? Do you have to replicate the TIA?
      • shinjitsu4 hours ago
        How big was the Franklin back then? My uncle worked there in the 1980s, but I was a kid and have no concept of if it was a scappy startup or a midsized company.
    • mrandish43 minutes ago
      From a modern context, I think it&#x27;s hard to appreciate that in 1981 it wasn&#x27;t clear that a computer BIOS would be copyrightable. Franklin even won the initial court case.
      • chasil29 minutes ago
        Compaq notably did this correctly.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.softhistory.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Compaq_BIOS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.softhistory.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Compaq_BIOS</a>
    • pimlottc3 hours ago
      And honestly what’s wrong with the ads? Sure, they’re a bit cheesy, but not really that much out of the ordinary for magazine ads back then. There were certainly much worse (sensational, sexiest) ones…<p>Let’s not forget, IBM themselves used Charlie Chaplin’s “Little Tramp” [0][1][2] in their home computer ads for quite a while back then, so this isn’t that different.<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;vintagecomputing&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1o2y2gs&#x2F;multipage_ad_for_ibm_pcjr&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;vintagecomputing&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1o2y2gs&#x2F;m...</a><p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Ru4qPlTbJG4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Ru4qPlTbJG4</a><p>2: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ejumpcut.org&#x2F;archive&#x2F;onlinessays&#x2F;JC35folder&#x2F;IBMtramp.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ejumpcut.org&#x2F;archive&#x2F;onlinessays&#x2F;JC35folder&#x2F;IBMt...</a>
    • the_af4 hours ago
      &gt; <i>I don’t understand why this post is so negative on Franklin. They seemed great.</i><p>The whole article is a framed as some kind of denunciation, but when I read it, it just seemed like a charming piece of computer history.<p>Bob Applegate&#x27;s blog is also charming, but a bit difficult to navigate to find the good bits.
    • ForHackernews6 hours ago
      Same. Cloning proprietary hardware is doing God&#x27;s work. We should all hope someone in the modern era can knock off NVidia and Apple silicon.<p>Competition is great for everyone except Apple shareholders.
      • mentos6 hours ago
        Yea I feel like if even one kid was introduced to the world of computing through a Franklin it justifies their existence.
        • drzaiusx115 hours ago
          They sold 100,000 of em. I bet there was more than one.
        • the_af4 hours ago
          That&#x27;s how I feel about clones in general. Ok, I owned a real Commodore 64, but all my PCs during my formative years were clones.<p>Actually, this wasn&#x27;t such a good example since I believe PC clones were legal. Let me change it to something more controversial:<p>I feel the same way about software piracy. All my games and software growing up were pirated. I didn&#x27;t even understand this, because you got software by going to a store and buying it, e.g. C64 games... but it was all warez. Same with DOS or Windows (which one usually got from someone else). All of my early programming languages were pirated too: QuickBasic, GW Basic, Turbo C, Turbo Pascal, etc.<p>And this is how people got acquainted with computers, and then got into programming (games, systems, business software) as a job. So piracy was a net win.
          • Projectiboga4 hours ago
            I do recall the assistant at the store when I first showed up said wait for the upcoming Commodore 64 more stuff for much less money. But as a 14 year old I wasn&#x27;t ready to wait after being exposed to Apple the summer before. That professor really advocated for the Atari 800 and I really considered it, but the Apple&#x27;s easier to copy floppies along with a much larger user base won me over.
    • gnfargbl6 hours ago
      <i>&gt; Apparently, when Steve Wozniak first got his hands on an ACE 1000-series machine, “he felt that Franklin had even copied the circuit-board layout, right down to how the chips were arranged.” Reviewers were even able to pull cards out of an Apple ][ motherboard, plug them into an ACE machine, and they’d work without any other modifications. And while I couldn’t verify this claim anywhere else, one retro hardware forum had a comment claiming “they outright stole the Apple BIOS code, including -- bad move -- the copyright notice, itself.”</i><p>Building a functional equivalent is one thing, making a direct copy in a different case is another.
      • bombcar5 hours ago
        It is now determined to be &quot;bad&quot; but the whole area wasn&#x27;t as clearly legally defined as we think it is now. The courts could have almost as easily ruled for Franklin and determined that &quot;BIOS&quot; is a hardware implementation and not copyrightable.
        • dhosek4 hours ago
          Indeed. There was a movie about the guy who invented the intermittent windshield wiper and I remember being surprised that one question that had to be addressed by the court in the patent trial was whether a circuit design was a patentable invention.
      • dwgumby6 hours ago
        &gt; Reviewers were even able to pull cards out of an Apple ][ motherboard, plug them into an ACE machine, and they’d work without any other modifications<p>Which was kind of the point? If I remember correctly Woz had patents related to the video generation hardware which Franklin did change to try to avoid infringing but I can’t remember if the court agreed that it did it successfully.
        • drzaiusx115 hours ago
          Exactly what I was thinking when reading the article. The author implies &quot;the nerve of them&quot;, when they&#x27;re simply providing exactly what they advertise: a 100% compatible machine.
          • Projectiboga5 hours ago
            I had one, I believe they never delivered on the color compatibility. Mine came with an easy on the eyes amber crt.<p>Here it is the Ace 1000 was greyscale only but was 80 column.<p>Wohlscheid - Computer Ads from the Past Unfortunately, the Franklin didn&#x27;t copy the Apple&#x27;s ability to display color graphics. It was limited to “shades of grey and black and white”. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;computeradsfromthepast.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;franklins-ace-1000" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;computeradsfromthepast.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;franklins-ace-...</a><p>I got the computer with an 80 column graphics card one floppy drive and an amber monitor. It was less than a similar Apple bundle. I got mine in December 1980. I also got a disk of copy programs and a floppy with a few pirated games. Those two got me started as an early pirate video game collector. That was freshman year of high school. I grew out of video games a few years later. I did use it for word processing in college. I had a decent dot matrix printer which had a parallel interface but I chose to take floppy to a study location with a small printing lab. I would copy my file from the 5.5&quot; to a 3.5&quot; pro-dos formatted disc. Then open the doc in Word on a Mac and get it formatted nicer. I don&#x27;t recall if Word had Auto-Format back then. And laser print my paper for a sharp look. I still keep a licensed Word on hand just for that single feature. I printed a few papers using my Franklin to Smith Corona typewriter via a cable, had an english teacher who didn&#x27;t want dot matrix and that was more fun than typing manually. Whew this brought back a flood of my early tech memories.
            • drzaiusx115 hours ago
              To be fair, the way Woz did color on the ][ was pretty wild, but unfortunate they weren&#x27;t able to properly copy that as well...
              • dhosek3 hours ago
                Screens were low enough resolution back then that you could look closely at the screen to see how he got the six hires colors.
              • Projectiboga4 hours ago
                They were able to get color working on the subsequent 1200 model. And I believe color was accessable via an expansion card, I didnt want to be staring at a tv at short distances so I was content to game in monochrome.
      • sehugg5 hours ago
        I&#x27;m guessing Apple had stopped putting board schematics and ROM listings in their reference manuals by the time the ACE came out, or perhaps soon afterwards.
      • sleepybrett53 minutes ago
        I dunno, the more I age the more I think that the wild west that was created during the initial boom of personal computers was the best thing that probably ever happened. Without it the &#x27;PC&#x27; (and by this i mean personal computers) revolution may not have even happened (the ibm pc clone ecosystem BECAME the ECOSYSTEM and IBM was denied a monopoly). I think we would have been in the walled garden computing ecosystem immediately and it would have become much more extreme that even where we are today, cross compatibility would be shit, linux may never have happened, etc.<p>How many kids who&#x27;s parents couldn&#x27;t afford an apple computer got a franklin instead allowing that kid to grow up and invent great things both open and closed source.
      • msla5 hours ago
        &gt; Reviewers were even able to pull cards out of an Apple ][ motherboard, plug them into an ACE machine, and they’d work without any other modifications.<p>My God, such an Architecture might have become an Industry Standard!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Industry_Standard_Architecture" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Industry_Standard_Architecture</a><p>&gt; The ISA term was coined as a retronym by IBM PC clone manufacturers in the late 1980s or early 1990s as a reaction to IBM attempts to replace the AT bus with its new and incompatible Micro Channel architecture.
  • msla5 hours ago
    &gt; But Franklin Computer Corporation’s hardware, software, and ad concepts were stolen intellectual property, which, I think, qualifies as “bad.”<p>&quot;Intellectual property&quot; is doing a lot of work in this sentence, in that it&#x27;s a legal-sounding blanket term which somehow fails to mention which actual law Franklin broke. It&#x27;s <i>implying</i> something is illegal without actually making the case. The cancerous growth of the vague concept of &quot;intellectual property&quot; leads to things like the DMCA, where formerly legal acts are outlawed in a kind of &quot;penumbra&quot; or &quot;emanation&quot; from acts which are concretely illegal, because they&#x27;re getting &quot;too close&quot; to the imaginary line.
    • titzer5 hours ago
      Read the article. He copied the BIOS code straight up, including the copyright notice itself. That&#x27;s blatant copyright infringement.
      • alnwlsn4 hours ago
        This was not understood to be so at the time, and the resulting court case was THE precedent that says that it is.<p>Franklin even won the initial case.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Franklin_Computer_Corp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Frankl...</a>.
      • bjord5 hours ago
        who, benjamin franklin?
        • titzer4 hours ago
          Sorry, <i>they</i>--i.e. Franklin computer.
  • LogicFailsMe1 hour ago
    The sheer amount of bull$h!+ power granted to AAPL over clones and emulation is one of the early reasons we cannot have nice things now. I&#x27;m trying to post the sad saga of David Small and The Magic Sac but apparently that story is behind paywalls because of course it is. But despite AAPL crushing The Magic Sac, no one could crush emulation in the end so there&#x27;s hope.
  • Theodores5 hours ago
    The Franklin product I always wanted but never had was the REX. This was what PCMCIA slots were made for, a mini-organiser that was just cool in pre-iphone times, when any other organiser&#x2F;PDA needed to be plugged in with some very slow cable.<p>Citizen made the REX and they sold it on to Xircom, so it wasn&#x27;t as if Franklin did much apart from to add their peculiar style of marketing to it.
  • jason_s1 hour ago
    Is there no end to the burgeoning websites using fixed-width fonts for text? We&#x27;re not using ASCII terminals anymore... oh, to be able to read text more easily.