5 comments

  • coldcode1 hour ago
    It's not a rule, it's a law passed by Congress and signed by the President in 1978. You can't just ignore it.
    • overfeed41 minutes ago
      The fourth estate is absolutely failing America. The headline ought to be &quot;DOJ wants to break Watergate law&quot;, but instead, we get... <i>this.</i> Is Bari Weiss now running the Intercept too? WTAF is going on across the board?
    • tombert1 hour ago
      It does not appear that this administration particularly cares about whether or not they&#x27;re allowed to ignore laws.
      • EGreg25 minutes ago
        That&#x27;s because everyone else is the enemies of the people! They have a mandate!<p>Get out of the way, so-called judges, RINOs and communists in Congress, the failing Media, and also the low IQ former MAGA people who helped get them elected. This was a landslide! Also, true republicans don&#x27;t believe in mob rule, we don&#x27;t have a democracy, we have a republic. Except if our guy wins by 1% then we totally believe in mob rule and have a mandate, compared to that 1% marginal win, what are laws passed by a supermajority? A mere trifle!
    • jfengel1 hour ago
      Sure you can, when you&#x27;re the President. He&#x27;s got presumptive immunity for all official acts. If election interference is an official act (as they decided in Trump v US), then surely ordering the destruction of all of his records is also an official act.
      • afiori7 minutes ago
        Don&#x27;t forget about pardon power.
    • lisper1 hour ago
      Want to bet?
    • sassymuffinz1 hour ago
      The rules only apply to Democrats now, did you miss the memo? (Maybe you didn&#x27;t see the memo as it was sealed).
    • dboreham1 hour ago
      Enforced by the following the rules police. Oh wait..
    • whatever154 minutes ago
      Why not? Are we gonna send the marshals to arrest the president?<p>Jokes aside, this presidency showed that it was not our written laws that enabled the expected operation of gov branches within their expected limits.<p>It was these unwritten laws we were taking for granted, because casually we assume that the gov will not be malicious.<p>It seems to me that we need to stop letting lawyers write laws, and instead start writing verified programs.
      • ceejayoz45 minutes ago
        This is a very clearly written law, though.<p>It has nothing to do with the writing. It&#x27;s the &quot;fuck you we&#x27;ll ignore&quot; it thing that&#x27;s a problem. No amount of writing fixes that.
      • solid_fuel40 minutes ago
        I disagree. I think that constitutional scholars have always known that it&#x27;s not the written laws that hold the executive in check. Our system was designed so that the 3 branches would check <i>each other</i>. The Federalist Paper #51 explicitly calls this out - &quot;Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.&quot; [0]<p>The problem with any system like you are suggesting where &quot;we need to stop letting lawyers write laws, and instead start writing verified programs&quot; is the same as always - <i>who enforces the law?</i><p>The cause of the dysfunction we have now is that congress has <i>failed</i> to check the power of the executive. Congress should have impeached and removed Donald Trump for treason and other high crimes after January 6th. He should have been convicted and felt the full force of the law around his neck for trying to interfere with the function of congress and overthrow the election.<p>Every problem we face with our government right now traces back to the same issue: Congress is not doing its job. Congress has the power to impeach and remove the president for threatening to nuke Iran. Congress has the power to stop the executive branch from starting illegal wars overseas. Congress has the power to punish ICE for executing citizens in the streets of Minneapolis.<p>Congress has failed to exercise this power for several reasons, a major one being that both the house and senate are no longer representative of the American people. The house has been limited in membership ever since the reapportionment act and the senate was always designed to favor wealthy landowners in slave states.<p>This results in placing massively disproportionate power in the hands of a tiny fraction of voters just because they live in the middle of nowhere, which in turn makes it very easy for the rich and powerful to game the system. There is no way forward for us as a country without reforming congress.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Federalist_No._51" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Federalist_No._51</a>
        • jfengel24 minutes ago
          I believe that the problem is that they also set up Congress with its own check, between two houses. They made it deliberately hard to pass legislation, which means they cannot effectively balance the other two branches.<p>Congress spent decades ceding power to the executive because it realized it could not do anything itself. And now it&#x27;s stuck.
    • koolba37 minutes ago
      &gt; It&#x27;s not a rule, it&#x27;s a law passed by Congress and signed by the President in 1978. You can&#x27;t just ignore it.<p>They’re not ignoring. They’re saying they think the law itself is unconstitutional.<p>From the article:<p>&gt;&gt; In a sweeping new memorandum from the Office of Legal Counsel, the DOJ claims the Presidential Records Act is unconstitutional. The department’s edict, which is already facing legal challenges, argues that a president’s records are private, rather than public, property.
      • ceejayoz5 minutes ago
        &gt; They’re saying they think the law itself is unconstitutional.<p>Yeah, well, they can say that to SCOTUS.
      • tremon17 minutes ago
        &quot;This is unconstitional because Trump doesn&#x27;t like it&quot; is not a very strong argument. The position he&#x27;s holding is called &quot;Public Office&quot; (not private office) for a reason.
  • tlhunter2 hours ago
    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;jHfOe" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;jHfOe</a>
    • nickvec45 minutes ago
      Crazy that you can&#x27;t even read an article anymore without having to cough up money and&#x2F;or provide your personal data.
      • afiori4 minutes ago
        yes, with a but, rephrased as &quot;crazy that you can&#x27;t use a private service without payment or otherwise contributing to its profitability&quot; sounds less so crazy.<p>I agree on the excess.
  • josefritzishere2 hours ago
    That sounds like someone wants to hide the evidence.
    • lokar1 hour ago
      As weird as it seems (to me anyway) there has always been a group of conservative republicans who maintain that Nixon did nothing wrong and all of the restrictions on the president passed then are inappropriate.
      • cogman101 hour ago
        One of them, Roger Stone, worked on the trump campaign and has a Nixon tattoo on his back.
        • _doctor_love22 minutes ago
          The Trump&#x2F;Nixon connection is deep:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.nixonfoundation.org&#x2F;2020&#x2F;09&#x2F;unseen-correspondence-between-nixon-and-trump-on-display-in-special-exhibit-at-the-nixon-library&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.nixonfoundation.org&#x2F;2020&#x2F;09&#x2F;unseen-corresponden...</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2020&#x2F;09&#x2F;23&#x2F;donald-trump-richard-nixon-pen-pals-420567" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2020&#x2F;09&#x2F;23&#x2F;donald-trump-richar...</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;abc7chicago.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;1987-letter-nixons-predict-trump-would-win-office-if-he-ran&#x2F;1602408&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;abc7chicago.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;1987-letter-nixons-predict-trum...</a>
        • hypeatei1 hour ago
          Also: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justice.gov&#x2F;usao-dc&#x2F;pr&#x2F;roger-stone-found-guilty-obstruction-false-statements-and-witness-tampering" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justice.gov&#x2F;usao-dc&#x2F;pr&#x2F;roger-stone-found-guilty-...</a><p>&gt; Stone was found guilty of obstruction of a congressional investigation, five counts of making false statements to Congress, and tampering with a witness
          • dylan6041 hour ago
            And then pardoned by Trump
        • Hikikomori1 hour ago
          Stone was also involved in the Brooks riot helping getting bush the win. Amy Coney Barret and other supreme judges appointed by Trump were involved in the lawsuit brought to the supreme court.<p>It&#x27;s the same fucking people.
          • aaronbrethorst54 minutes ago
            ACB, Kavanaugh, and Roberts were <i>all</i> on Bush&#x27;s legal team for Bush v. Gore. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnn.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;10&#x2F;17&#x2F;politics&#x2F;bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnn.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;10&#x2F;17&#x2F;politics&#x2F;bush-v-gore-barrett-...</a>
      • smallmancontrov1 hour ago
        It&#x27;s only weird if you believe they hold their stated values. If instead you infer their values from their actions and extrapolate forwards, you haven&#x27;t been surprised in 50 years.
      • triceratops1 hour ago
        Not weird at all.
      • sixothree1 hour ago
        Of course they didn&#x27;t want us to see that evidence for ourselves, or have any hearings whatsoever.
      • dylan6041 hour ago
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    • autoexec7 minutes ago
      That &quot;someone&quot; isn&#x27;t just Trump. He&#x27;s 80. He&#x27;ll be lucky if he lives out the rest of his term. The odds of him still being alive 5 years after his presidency when his records could start to fall into the hands of the public are very very slim.<p>I don&#x27;t think this is for him and his many many crimes as much as it is being set up for those who will come after him and the many more crimes they have planned for the future.
  • ceejayoz1 hour ago
    Fine. I wanna scrap the pardon power. Trade?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;policy&#x2F;trump-promises-mass-pardons-to-staff-before-leaving-office-d7274d32" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;policy&#x2F;trump-promises-mass-pard...</a>
    • afiori2 minutes ago
      Pardon power competes with governors (at least NY) being able to edit laws before signing them for most anachronistic&#x2F;dystopian feature of the US state.
  • LightBug11 hour ago
    Step&#x27;ity step towards a fascist state for the klep&#x27;ity klep ...