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  • chasil2 hours ago
    The complete crack of Deere&#x27;s firmware in 2022 must have had some impact on this.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;08&#x2F;16&#x2F;john_deere_doom&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;08&#x2F;16&#x2F;john_deere_doom&#x2F;</a><p>Edit: &#x27;Sick Codes confirmed that he believes John Deere failed to comply with its GPL obligations. &quot;I&#x27;d love for them to come forward and explain how they are in compliance,&quot; he said.&#x27;
    • bri3d20 minutes ago
      I wouldn’t really call that a “complete crack” (although it IS cool). There’s an _awful_ lot more firmware in a car or tractor than the display unit, and arguably it’s one of the less important modules in most architectures. Cracked versions of Deere Service Advisor are much more meaningful to the kinds of repairs farmers perform than firmware exploits are.
  • skeptrune1 minute ago
    this is awesome. beyond happy to see it
  • darth_avocado2 hours ago
    The stock is up 5% today. What’s the catch?
    • jabwd32 minutes ago
      They settled, and paid pennies for being able to continue the status quo. Given that the headline is journalistic malpractice at best; and you asking this question kinda proves that.<p>&gt; While the agricultural manufacturing giant pointed out in a statement that this is no admission of wrongdoing<p>Welp, gotta sue again in the future, hopefully lobbied laws in place to prevent whatever forced them to settle by then!
    • tartoran1 hour ago
      &gt; What’s the catch?<p>99m is a drop in the bucket. They were probably expecting more.
    • explodes1 hour ago
      IANAL but my understanding with settlements is that It removes the possibility of the defendant risking a judgement of wrongdoing and causing more problems down the road, like having to fix their mistakes.
    • bluGill1 hour ago
      The market doesn&#x27;t care. It is a big deal to some people here, but to the vast majority it doesn&#x27;t change a thing (or doesn&#x27;t seem to) and so the markets don&#x27;t care.
    • snapetom2 minutes ago
      There was a MoU between the American Farm Bureau and John Deere signed in 2023 that outlined right to repair. This consequently already altered Deere&#x27;s business model with respect to IP and right to repair, and gave signals that a settlement was coming. In other words, the stock price already accounted for the change. Very few things catches stock prices by surprise in the long term.
    • jauntywundrkind26 minutes ago
      Anticipating 10.01 years from now, when John Deere sends a new over the air update and the situation goes right back to where it was, with no one having access to their equipment.
    • aucisson_masque2 hours ago
      The market expected a worst outcome ?
      • maest2 hours ago
        No, all US equities are up after the Iran ceasefire news.<p>You need to look at Deere stock after taking out the beta to the market.
  • SilverElfin1 hour ago
    Seems like a small price for a big company. Shouldn’t there be some higher punitive fine for even trying this tactic? It’s basically zero cost for companies to be abusive.
    • adityamwagh50 minutes ago
      Yes there should be. But there won’t be until US stops lobbying and American public elects lawmakers that work for people instead of their own pockets.
  • causality01 hour ago
    One of the most user-hostile companies on earth. My John Deere lawnmower came with a fuel gauge that runs off a CR2032 that&#x27;s embedded in epoxy. The battery runs out of charge in about six months and the gauge stops working. If you saw the gauge open and replace the battery it doesn&#x27;t start working again. If you disconnect the gauge the lawnmower won&#x27;t start. Replacement gauges are $60.
    • dyauspitr1 hour ago
      That’s wild.They had to go out of their way to not wire it to the 12V.
    • dmos621 hour ago
      Hot take: it takes mental gymnastics to think that planned obsolescence is not fraud.
    • elAhmo1 hour ago
      Don’t buy their stuff then.
      • snowe20101 hour ago
        Don’t comment if you don’t want to actually contribute. How are people supposed to know these things before buying the equipment. What if they’re the only provider in their region? There’s a billion reasons why your comment doesn’t contribute.
        • laughing_man1 hour ago
          &quot;Don&#x27;t buy their stuff&quot; is exactly the right answer. You need to do your research before you buy big ticket items. It may not be true in every sector, but Deere has plenty of competition.
          • enaaem40 minutes ago
            How can you do research without victims complaining?
        • charcircuit23 minutes ago
          &gt;How are people supposed to know these things before buying the equipment.<p>By looking at reviews or paying someone to evaluate the product.<p>&gt;What if they’re the only provider in their region<p>Then there is an opportunity for competition. Or you can import a product from another region.
        • linuxftw1 hour ago
          John Deere has had a terrible reputation for over a decade now. They&#x27;ve always used proprietary parts for the tractors. Do 5 minutes of research.
        • edm0nd1 hour ago
          bruh dont sweat it. mainly everyone here is SF tech bros who have never worked a hard day in their life lol
  • mothballed2 minutes ago
    I bought a ~completely mechanical tractor without ECU right under the 25hp cutoff that requires computer and emissions controls to get around this bullshit. The adding of DPF and&#x2F;or SCR to agricultural diesels gave vendors cover to fuck the customer using the excuse of preventing emissions tampering.
  • verdverm2 hours ago
    The second paragraph likely answers some of your immediate questions<p>&gt; The settlement also includes an agreement by Deere to provide “the digital tools required for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair” of tractors, combines, and other machinery for 10 years. That part is crucial, as farmers previously resorted to hacking their own equipment’s software just to get it up and running again. John Deere signed a memorandum of understanding in 2023 that partially addressed those concerns, providing third parties with the technology to diagnose and repair, as long as its intellectual property was safeguarded. Monday’s settlement seems to represent a much stronger (and legally binding) step forward.
    • westmeal1 hour ago
      Yeah but it&#x27;s only for 10 years...
  • bearjaws40 minutes ago
    Needs another zero, likely made 9 figures in revenue from this scheme.
  • shevy-java56 minutes ago
    Good! Wonder if Louis Rossmann already mentioned that.