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  • ghm219948 minutes ago
    Here is thought, this is a fixed 3d environment and you lack training data or at least an algorithm to train. Why not use RL to learn good trajectories? Like build a 3d environment of your home&#x2F;room and generate images and trajectories in a game engine to generate image data to pretrain&#x2F;train it, then for each run hand label only promising trajectories i.e. where the robot actually did better cleaning. That might make it a good RL exercise. You could also place some physical flags in the room that when the camera gets close enough it gets rewarded to automate these trajectory rewards.<p>I would begin in one room to practice this.
  • londons_explore1 hour ago
    If mass produced, no part of a robot vacuum is expensive. Blower fans are ~$1. Camera is $1. Cheap wifi MCU with a little ML accelerator + 8 Mbytes of ram is $1. Gyro is $1. Drive motors+gearboxes together are $1. AC charger $2. Plastic case $2. Batteries are the most expensive bit (~$3), but you can afford to have a battery life of just 10 mins if you can return to base frequently.<p>The hard part is the engineering hours to make it all work well. But you can get repaid those as long as you can sell 100 Million units to every nation in the world.
  • elaus3 hours ago
    I don&#x27;t really see how the vacuum can effectively clean a whole room or flat using only a CNN of the current image in front of the robot. This would help detect obstacles, but a bumper sensor would do that as well.<p>All but the most basic vacuum robots map their work area and devise plans how to clean them systematically. The others just bump into obstacles, rotate a random amount and continue forward.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong, I love this project and the idea to build it yourself. I just feel like that (huge) part is missing in the article?
    • thebruce87m3 hours ago
      <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opencv.org&#x2F;structure-from-motion-in-opencv&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opencv.org&#x2F;structure-from-motion-in-opencv&#x2F;</a><p>Not saying that it’s viable here to build a world map since things like furniture can move but some systems, e.g. warehouse robots do use things like lights to triangulate on the assumption that the lights on the tall ceiling are fixed and consistent.
    • jhbadger3 hours ago
      The classic Roombas from a decade or so ago worked without any sort of mapping or camera at all -- they basically did a version of the &quot;run and tumble&quot; algorithm used by many bacteria -- go in one direction until you can&#x27;t any more then go off in a random new one. It may not be <i>efficient</i> but it does work for covering territory.
      • londons_explore1 hour ago
        I think the only reason for mapping is to be able to block off &#x27;no go&#x27; areas (no escaping out the front door!) and to be able to go home to the charger.<p>For the actual cleaning, random works great.
        • ripe1 hour ago
          You are right. The original Roomba was discussed on HN 3 months ago:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=46472930">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=46472930</a>
        • _flux46 minutes ago
          Surely mapping also helps reducing the time it takes to achieve the task?
  • isoprophlex4 hours ago
    Cool project! That validation loss curve <i>screams</i> train set memorization without generalization ability.<p>Too little train data, and&#x2F;or data of insufficient quality. Maybe let the robot run autonomously with an (expensive) VLM operating it to bootstrap a larger train dataset without needing to annotate it yourself.<p>Or maybe the problem itself is poorly specified, or intractable with your chosen network architecture. But if you see that a vision llm can pilot the bot, at least you know you have a fighting chance.
  • vachanmn1234 hours ago
    Check out using maybe some kind of monocular depth estimation models, like Apple&#x27;s Depth Pro (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;apple&#x2F;ml-depth-pro" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;apple&#x2F;ml-depth-pro</a>) and use the depth map to predict a path?<p>Very cool project though!
  • bilsbie1 hour ago
    I don’t understand why we don’t have smarter vaccuums yet. Mine just makes a beeline to get stuck under a chair.<p>It could easily understand so much about the environment with even a small multimodal model.
    • hattmall1 hour ago
      We do, deebot T20 maps the whole house, knows what type of floors there are, maps furniture etc
    • infecto1 hour ago
      My Roborock uses lidar and rarely if ever bumps into things.
    • segmondy49 minutes ago
      get the wyze robot vacuum, it&#x27;s pretty smart.
  • amelius3 hours ago
    The trick is to make a robot that has a Lidar and a camera, then train a model that can replace the Lidar.<p>(Lidar can of course also be echolocation).
    • infecto1 hour ago
      The harder trick is to do it cost effectively. I picked up my Roborock for $200 and it has LiDAR. Works really well.
    • ThatMedicIsASpy2 hours ago
      I thought the trick is just to use an xbox kinect. But lidar got a lot cheaper in the recent years.
  • villgax3 hours ago
    There’s things like SLAM, optical flow etc, read up on things instead of being so defeatist IMO even for a hobby project, seems so forced