Musketeer d'Artagnan's remains believed found under Dutch church

(bbc.co.uk)

56 points by xenocratus3 hours ago

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srean1 hour ago
Count of Monte Cristo is also semi fictional.A few month's ago I started reading Three Musketeers again. I had forgotten how relentless and fast moving it is. Moving from one action set piece to the next from beginning to end. It is almost overpowering, literally had to catch my breadth before turning a page.I had forgotten how it was when I had read it as a kid.
brightball1 hour ago
Hold on…that was an entirely fictional story?Is there some part of it that was based on real people?
- pax1 hour ago
 This autumn I have visited the Lavardens Castle which had an exhibition on D'Artagnan. Stole the English version of the explanations (QR codes, hosted incognito on their website)<a href="https://pax.github.io/playground/lavardens-dartagnan/" rel="nofollow">https://pax.github.io/playground/lavardens-dartagnan/</a>
- rags2riches1 hour ago
 Some Swedes will be delighted to learn that not only was there a historical d'Artagnan, but also a real life cardinal named Mazarin. But I have yet to find a historical person named Loranga.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loranga,_Masarin_och_Dartanjang" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loranga,_Masarin_och_Dartanjan...</a>
 - Bayart55 minutes ago
 There were in fact two Mazarin cardinals. The one people know about, who happened to be one of the major statesmen in Europe at the time, and his brother who was notoriously useless.
 - Ylpertnodi20 minutes ago
 > his brother who was notoriously useless.So, he became a priest? (Father Ted [a literary classic] reference)
 - throw0101d1 minute ago
 > So, he became a priest? (Father Ted [a literary classic] reference)Galileo had (illegitimate) daughters but was unable to find husbands for them, so their remaining options were to become nuns. One seems to have quite brilliant, but the other a drunk:* <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo%27s_Daughter" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo%27s_Daughter</a>Back in the day the Church was the social safety net of society, so many folks ended up in monasteries as a form of charity for folks that would perhaps otherwise would have no other way to support themselves.
- bena1 hour ago
 Same here. I thought it was completely fictional.So, I immediately looked it up. There was a real d'Artagnan, he was kind of a big deal, so Dumas wrote some stories based on a fictionalized version of the real d'Artagnan.
 - bigstrat20031 hour ago
 Wow, that's really cool. I knew that Cardinal Richelieu was a real person (and that he is credited with inventing the butter knife!), but I didn't realize there were others.
 - fusslo29 minutes ago
 D'Artagnan - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Batz_de_Castelmore_d%27Artagnan" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Batz_de_Castelmore_...</a>Cardinal Mazarin - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Mazarin" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Mazarin</a>Athos - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_d%27Athos" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_d%27Athos</a>Porthos - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_de_Porthau" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_de_Porthau</a>Aramis - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_d%27Aramitz" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_d%27Aramitz</a>Comte de Troisville (D'artagnan's mentor) - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comte_de_Troisville" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comte_de_Troisville</a>All highly fictionalized and I have had trouble finding information on the real counterparts (aside from the Cardinal). I started learning about that period of history after listening to the D'Artagnan Romances in audiobook form.The other interesting thing is Gatien de Courtilz de Sanras wrote semi-fictional accounts of D'Artagnan, published 27 years after D'artagnan's death and 144 years before Dumas' The Three Musketeers ( <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatien_de_Courtilz_de_Sandras" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatien_de_Courtilz_de_Sandras</a> ).
 - kergonath28 minutes ago
 > I knew that Cardinal Richelieu was a real personAnd he was more than a big deal. One of the most powerful people in Europe at the time.
 - lo_zamoyski1 hour ago
 I had a similar experience with the characters in Sienkiewicz's Trilogy. A number of the fictional characters were amalgamations of actual historical figures, with added or modified histories. For example, the character of Sir Wołodyjowski is actually drawn from two figures with the same surname.(For those interested, Jerzy Hoffman has produced excellent film adaptations of these books, two while navigating communist censorship, which is why they were filmed in reverse order. In reading order:- "With Fire and Sword" (1999) [1]- "The Deluge" (1974) [0] (trailer for the significantly shortened 2014 director's cut [3])- "The Colonel Wołodyjowski" [2]In my opinion, and this is widely regarded to be the case, the original 5+ hour "The Deluge" is the best of the three and frankly one of the best movies I've ever watched.)[0] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdrKEEt_nc" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdrKEEt_nc</a>[1] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCESk2joFo8" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCESk2joFo8</a>[2] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFO4O4JNjXw" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFO4O4JNjXw</a>[3] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBfhvt1zrfU" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBfhvt1zrfU</a>
ourmandave1 hour ago
Time for the next installment of the Pirates of the Caribbean.Jack Sparrow and/vs/saves the 3 Musketeers.
schmookeeg1 hour ago
One of my favorite books -- I had no idea there was a real-life inspiration for it (Balzampleu!) This will get me to re-read it, it's been too long. :)
- cholantesh1 hour ago
 I was aware that Aramis and of course the various royals and aristocrats were real, but not the individual soldiers. Loved this novel growing, seems like the Count of Monte Cristo is seen as more 'serious' literature, but the Three Musketeers will always have a special place in my mind.
 - kergonath23 minutes ago
 > I was aware that Aramis and of course the various royals and aristocrats were realIt's more that their names were real, but their descriptions and their actions in the books are almost entirely fictional.
ibero58 minutes ago
there’s no hard evidence here. the “99%” referenced in the article is someone’s personal subjective confidence it’s him. body buried under church is not particularly eventful news as it stands.
lostlogin1 hour ago
That sounds like someone just decided to have a dig around inside the church.