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Fire truck was cleared to cross and then told to stop. I'm not sure if they were the only controller working at the time, they continued working after the incident which seems unusual; my understanding is normally they'd be relieved by another controller.
> I'm not sure if they were the only controller working at the time, they continued working after the incident which seems unusual; my understanding is normally they'd be relieved by another controller<p>I remember late last year, couple of months ago, US ATC controllers were without pay but forced to work anyways (similar to TSA I suppose, although I don't think they were forced, but volunteered to work without salary), is that still the situation? Couldn't find any updates about that the situation been resolved, nor any updates that it's ongoing, if so though it feels like it'd be related to the amount of available controllers.
They were indeed the only controller, working both ground and tower frequencies.
Emergency vehicles were en route to another emergency in progress on the other runway. Sadly it sounds like a fire truck was cleared to cross the active runway moments before the CRJ landed. By the time the controller realized that mistake it was too late.
I'm very, very curious about whether the ARFF crew visually cleared the runway and final before crossing the hold short line. It's standard procedure for flight crew to do this, specifically to mitigate the risk of ATC errors.
Yes ARFF should still look before crossing, but the weather wasn’t great with limited visibility and thus even if they looked it’s possible they didn’t see anything.
Reports are there were fog and rain at La Guardia at the time of the incident. They were on a short final, and it’s entirely possible they were not visible to the fire truck’s crew.
At night with multiple runways it can be very hard to see a plane on final.<p>Still, I'm always hesitant to cross an active runway.
I mean, isn't it obvious that they didn't?
"Plane and ground vehicle collide at New York's LaGuardia airport halting flights":<p>* <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47486386">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47486386</a>
<a href="https://x.com/thenewarea51/status/2035926457394876837" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/thenewarea51/status/2035926457394876837</a><p>ATC audio<p>make a mistake, recognize it, and then have to continue on your job, knowing you likely just killed people, because if you don't others will die.<p>The weight of some jobs is immense, and our civilization relies upon workers to shoulder the burden everyday.
Are the increased number of air incidents since Dec 2024 reflective of anything real or is it more attention on something? Brigida v. USDOT comes to mind but doesn't seem relevant. I'm sure we could all construct a chain of "this thing happened that caused that which caused this" and so on, but I'm curious if someone has done the effort to see whether such a chain is defensible.<p>Also, did the pilots die in the collision or in some sort of aftermath? The cockpit looks absolutely smashed.