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  • getnormality1 hour ago
    This AI-written post is part of an insight porn genre that attempts to draw a sharp distinction between two words that mean basically the same thing in real life. We read it, we politely agree that sure, you could use those two words to represent those two different concepts, then we go back to everyday life and continue to use them interchangeably.<p>If you read the post and actually believed what it said, you would tell people &quot;your presentation convinced but did not persuade, that&#x27;s why leadership isn&#x27;t doing what you said.&quot; This doesn&#x27;t make sense to a typical English speaker.
    • dahart51 minutes ago
      I looked up persuade and convince in the thesaurus and dictionary, based on the title, and then came to say the same thing. But then I got a little curious about the source of the title’s claim, and looked up Chaim Perelman. He really did try to make a distinction between convince and persuade in his influential book from sixty years ago, so the body of the blog post is accurate in a sense - this is a concept that came from an historically important philosopher. Perelman was dissecting argumentation and cataloguing the techniques for strong and persuasive arguments. The problem with this blog post is taking Perelman’s argument out of context and stating Perelman’s rhetorical distinction as though it’s a fact and then arguing logically for it. That leaves out all the ethos and pathos that Perelman was trying to convey is necessary for a good argument, and it also misses slightly on the logos as well.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cha%C3%AFm_Perelman" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cha%C3%AFm_Perelman</a>
      • getnormality45 minutes ago
        Interesting. The post would have benefitted a lot from talking about this background instead of just name-dropping Perelman once and by last name only(!!).<p>That&#x27;s the sort of sloppiness you get when you have a conversation with an AI, ask the AI to make a blog post based on the conversation, and then copy-paste that straight into your Substack without reading to see if a fresh reader would understand what you are talking about.<p>If the author insists on posting more unedited AI text, asking a fresh AI session to critique the post from scratch would probably catch this kind of mistake and lead to a much better result.
    • j16sdiz1 hour ago
      I guess the only takeaway was: we should aware the other dimension (other than reasoning) when we try to convince&#x2F;persuade somebody.<p>This article can be re-written into something &lt; 300 words.
      • johnisgood30 minutes ago
        Yeah. You convince with logic, you persuade with emotions. Done!
    • nubg34 minutes ago
      &gt; AIq insight porn<p>put very succinctly. if done without ai, the more impressive!
    • some_furry56 minutes ago
      And the people who repeat such statements uncritically to their reports will also get mildly annoyed when they have no Earthly clue what that actually means.
    • antisthenes4 minutes ago
      Thanks for elucidating my exact thoughts on this matter.<p>Side note: this insight porn genre existed before AI and was just as annoying then as it is now.<p>I want to say the trend started somewhere around ZIRP era, when lots of newly minted 20-something tech-bro millionaires started thinking they needed a blog to justify their grifted wealth with &quot;insight&quot;, rather than luck and economies of scale.
  • Avicebron1 hour ago
    There&#x27;s something fishy with having a link at the bottom to share directly to HN..<p>It feels inorganic. Like this person has sat down and thought &quot;how can I become an influencer on HN&quot; it&#x27;s disturbing.
    • carra17 minutes ago
      Fishy or not, it worked. I found it on the front page here
    • johnisgood30 minutes ago
      Yeah, it does have a share button, but I do not think it is anything new, there is BlueSky, X, lord knows what else, and then HN.
  • a1j9o9457 minutes ago
    I fall into this trap a lot. The platonic ideal argument is a fun mental exercise but doesn&#x27;t get anything done
  • nubg1 hour ago
    Dear author, can you post the prompt? I&#x27;m not sure which parts are what you actually meant to write and which are LLM fillings.
    • gedy17 minutes ago
      It&#x27;s a bummer but I click almost no blog or Show HNs any more due to the content engagement hacking with LLMs (and 99% are not sincere &quot;well see English is not my native language&quot;, etc.)
    • getnormality1 hour ago
      It&#x27;s AI for sure.
  • clarkevans31 minutes ago
    Heath Brothers&#x27; treatise, <i>Switch: How to Change Things When Change Is Hard</i>, describes three legs to facilitating a change: clear vision, sufficient motivation, and concrete first steps.<p>I think even a single page summary or graphic from this book would be more actionable than this blog post. I don&#x27;t love Switch&#x27;s elephant analogy but it&#x27;s good enough. It helped me see blind spots in my proposals.