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  • jp573 hours ago
    This is interesting, though I&#x27;d point out that &quot;consensus&quot; actually means something different than a simple majority agreement. It means &quot;broad agreement&quot;. Almost nobody would consider a 51&#x2F;49 vote split among a large group as consensus; and even 3&#x2F;2 in a committee of five would be a stretch, especially if the two in the minority are united on an opposing alternative proposal.<p>I&#x27;m not sure that invalidates the core of the post, though, since I think a different consensus criterion could be substituted without losing the substance of the game.
    • curtisf2 hours ago
      &quot;Consensus&quot; in this post refers to the &quot;consensus problem&quot;, which is a fundamental and well-known problem in distributed systems.<p>It&#x27;s not about political consensus.<p>However, the paper that introduced it and proved it possible, Lamport&#x27;s &quot;The Part Time Parliament&quot;, used an involved (and often cited as confusing) &quot;Parliament&quot; metaphor for computers in a distributed system<p>&quot;Consensus&quot; in distributed systems need not be limited to majorities; it really just requires no &quot;split brain&quot; is possible. For example, &quot;consensus&quot; is achieved by making one server the leader, and giving other servers no say. A majority is just the &#x27;quorum&#x27; which remains available with that largest number of unavailable peers possible.
      • jerf2 hours ago
        As feedback to the author, I made the same mistake initially. It was only around halfway through when I realized the voters in question didn&#x27;t necessarily care what they were voting for in the usual preferential or political sense, only that they were trying to have any consensus at all.<p>Looking back at the page again from the top, I see the first paragraph references Paxos, which is a clue to those who know what that is, but I think using &quot;There’s a committee of five members that tries to choose a color for a bike shed&quot; as the example, which is the <i>canonical case</i> for people arguing personal preferences and going to the wall for them at the expense of every other rational consideration, threw me back off the trail. I&#x27;d suggest perhaps the sample problem being something as trivial as that in reality, but less pre-loaded with the exact opposite connotation.
      • hammock1 hour ago
        &gt; it really just requires no &quot;split brain&quot; is possible. For example, &quot;consensus&quot; is achieved by making one server the leader, and giving other servers no say.<p>Which is funny, because that actually describes political consensus as well, functionally, even if it’s not what people typically think of as the definition.<p>If you can effect enough of the right censorship or silencing or cancelling, you can achieve consensus (aka no split brain, at least no split with agency)
    • stoneman242 hours ago
      And that’s before we look at whether the participants form a quorate group (sufficient people are present to make a valid choice).<p>Then we could consider whether all participants have the same voting power. My son has a strong vote on what to paint his room but much less on where to go on holiday.<p>Need to consider whether the votes could be hidden and revealed at the end to avoid intimidation.
  • nogha2 hours ago
    Green Team Wins is a board game that is based on consensus. Players answer simple questions that don’t really have a correct answer. Eg. Pie or Cake. The answer with the majority wins. It’s a fun game to play with family or coworkers.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boardgamegeek.com&#x2F;boardgame&#x2F;347805&#x2F;green-team-wins" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boardgamegeek.com&#x2F;boardgame&#x2F;347805&#x2F;green-team-wins</a>
  • dmurray1 hour ago
    I don&#x27;t get this part<p>&gt; Here, you asked R0, R2 and R3 to abstain from casting further votes in the first three columns, signified by black x.<p>If I can ask them to do that, and rely on them to go along with what I ask - why not skip all the middle steps and ask them all to vote for red?
  • gus_massa1 hour ago
    I still don&#x27;t understand the idea, but two questions anyway:<p>Why did R2 vote on the 6th column instead of the 1st one?<p>Why not just pick the leftmost column that has tree votes as the winner?
  • KilledByAPixel2 hours ago
    Why not use ranked choice voting?
  • Heer_J3 hours ago
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