16 comments

  • staplung1 hour ago
    Unfortunately, it&#x27;s not just <i>elected</i> officials that are problematic for prediction markets. The Secretary of War, for instance is not an elected official nor are leaders of the armed forces and there is definitely a prediction market for war. Multiply this by every powerful appointee and every career bureaucrat and see what kind of picture that paints.
    • lukev53 minutes ago
      If we&#x27;re not going to ban prediction markets, we could at least make it a requirement that all bets are public and associated with a real identity.<p>That&#x27;d go a long way towards curbing the corruption of these things, while preserving (or even greatly enhancing) their &quot;predictive power.&quot;
      • SteveNuts44 minutes ago
        Seems like you’d get a secondary proxy market popping up overnight. Like domain privacy for degenerates.
        • gruez30 minutes ago
          That&#x27;s why you make the regulations like AML regulations, where it&#x27;s a crime to obfuscate the source of the wager too.
    • andai31 minutes ago
      It&#x27;s also low-ranking members of the armed forces that have a lot more information than you&#x27;d expect. If you just banned the high ranking members from prediction markets, I actually don&#x27;t think very much would change. (There would just be slightly more delay.)
    • cyanydeez1 minute ago
      I mean, North Korea has some very deadly incentives if this whole &quot;buy your prediction&quot; market is brought online.
    • treetalker49 minutes ago
      Don&#x27;t forget relatives, useful idiots, and billionaire special envoys!
      • 9dev10 minutes ago
        The latter two groups often overlap, even
  • nomilk16 minutes ago
    I recall a few finance papers saying (paraphrasing) &quot;approximately all private info is reflected in stock prices&quot;. The same is obviously true of prediction markets. If government officials are banned, they&#x27;ll just give a little wink to a relative or friend, and the prediction markets will reflect the private information.<p>On a personal note, I find these markets incredibly useful in day to day life. There&#x27;s been a joke for a while that putting site:reddit.com in your google search is the only way to get (some) real information. It&#x27;s becoming true that putting &lt;search terms&gt; AND (kalshi OR polymarket) is how to get accurate info.
    • BSVogler4 minutes ago
      <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Efficient-market_hypothesis" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Efficient-market_hypothesis</a>
    • mvkel6 minutes ago
      Accurate info on what? Most markets have almost no liquidity, outside of sports and crypto
      • nomilk2 minutes ago
        Political outcomes is the biggest. Businesses (and individuals) can be strongly (financially) affected by who&#x27;s elected. I&#x27;d been very curious in the past about political outcomes but had never used prediction markets, so I built a little tracker that inputed the probabilities based on scraping ~14 betting sites. I had to do it on a market-by-market basis, and there were lots of edgecases. Having them all in one (or two; kalshi and polymarket) place makes life much simpler.<p>Prediction markets have also directly affected my travel planning, helping me avoid a country that wasn&#x27;t at war at the time but had (in my judgement) a too-high risk of war.<p>You&#x27;re completely right about thinly traded markets; those are way, way less accurate. But they also offer the greatest opportunity for someone to bet the other way, which has the effect of &#x27;correcting&#x27; the market.
      • zaik3 minutes ago
        Elections usually also have good liquidity.
  • romaaeterna49 minutes ago
    &gt; A Mystery Trader Made $400,000 Betting on Maduro’s Downfall<p>&gt; Prediction market trader &#x27;Magamyman&#x27; made $553,000 on death of Iran&#x27;s supreme leader
    • soared31 minutes ago
      You can review that user’s trade history. It’s a bit weird for sure, but they didn’t just stop in to bet on those. They’ve bet huge sums on every prediction relating to Iran, Israel, sp500, recessions, etc.<p>They’ve been betting for 2 years but only recently starting profiting a lot.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;polymarket.com&#x2F;profile&#x2F;%40Magamyman" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;polymarket.com&#x2F;profile&#x2F;%40Magamyman</a>
  • aurareturn1 hour ago
    It makes sense to ban government officials from betting. It&#x27;s hard enough to enforce insider trading. With legal betting, it&#x27;s literally impossible.<p>Another worrying issue with betting is just how prevalent the last election was in betting markets. In elections won by thousands or even just hundreds of votes, betting markets can skew results where betters vote for someone just purely for the bet and persuade, shill for the person they bet on.<p>I can imagine betters placing a bet on a candidate and then launching a defamation campaign against the other.
  • jpmoral43 minutes ago
    Aren&#x27;t there already basic laws against officials profiting from their role?
  • fkarg4 minutes ago
    Does this include the stock market?
  • stopbulying1 hour ago
    &gt; Following multiple public reports on the growing influence of prediction markets and their potential for corruption, Merkley and Klobuchar introduced the <i>End Prediction Market Corruption Act</i> — a new bill to ban the President, Vice President, Members of Congress, and other public officials from trading event contracts. The bill will ensure that federal elected officials maintain their oath of office to serve the people by preventing them from trading on information that they gained through their role.
  • trinsic236 minutes ago
    How is any of this going to get passed without enforcement of anti-trust and an end to citizen united?
    • gruez28 minutes ago
      What does anti-trust enforcement and citizens united have to do with being able to pass laws on insider trading?
  • int32_6420 minutes ago
    The prediction market trend will &quot;work itself out&quot;.<p>It will become common knowledge that these platforms are exploited by insiders so people &quot;trust&quot; apparent flagged insider bets, so people will try to piggyback insiders, then it will be revealed that a sophisticated party with infinitely deep pockets burns massive amounts of cash to manipulate odds and these piggybackers will be burned badly, so in the end classical gambling and sports betting will resume as preferred ways for gamblers to lose money because of their disgust with the manipulation.
  • schnebbau44 minutes ago
    The answer is simple - you price in the chance that an insider could have an edge on you when making your prediction. It&#x27;s all part of the game.
    • idle_zealot39 minutes ago
      Or, and I beg you to consider this radical position: we arrest people who break the law (insider trading is illegal) and those who knowingly help them to do so (the operators of the prediction markets).<p>How quickly we accept the death of even the <i>ideal</i> of rule of law in favor of embracing a return to an explicit rule by might, fuck-you-got-mine mentality.
      • GaryBluto34 minutes ago
        It doesn&#x27;t break the law.
    • wizzwizz440 minutes ago
      We also care about the world <i>outside</i> the prediction markets. If decision-makers have an incentive to &quot;throw the match&quot; by making surprising decisions, that will impair the decision-making, which will affect the rest of us. Likewise, sufficiently-wealthy actors will be able to manipulate the behaviour of officials by betting against the behaviour they want to see, much like an assassination market.
  • ChrisArchitect20 minutes ago
    Related:<p><i>War Prediction Markets Are a National-Security Threat</i> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2026&#x2F;03&#x2F;polymarket-insider-trading-going-get-people-killed&#x2F;686283&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2026&#x2F;03&#x2F;polymarket-in...</a><p>(<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47291036">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47291036</a>)
  • ronsor1 hour ago
    If we can&#x27;t ban them from trading stocks, good luck with this.
    • tlb1 hour ago
      It&#x27;s easier to ban things before they become entrenched than after. Banning stock trading is hard today because most senators have been doing it for years before getting elected.<p>I&#x27;d be in favor of senators doing prediction markets, just limited to small dollar trades so they can get better at predicting.
      • ddtaylor2 minutes ago
        Most criminal activity is hard to change when it&#x27;s already happening. There is no reason to mollify the problem further.
    • pear011 hour ago
      Don&#x27;t be needlessly cynical.<p>This is a good effort. So is the ban on stock trading. This administration is such that it is bringing corruption to the fore in a way not seen in generations. Things are always hard to pass at the start. Keep pushing and this administration will create a massive opportunity to swing the pendulum if we can (as hard as it is now) retain some optimism.
      • ddtaylor4 minutes ago
        Blindly trying things without taking signals from outcomes of the past seems like madness. If you have evidence you have failed at walking many times, should you be putting your energy and efforts into running and jumping instead of continuing to pursue walking?
        • pear011 minute ago
          That&#x27;s not what I&#x27;m doing and I think you know that. Reform takes time. If everyone gave up just because things were difficult n times nothing in government would ever happen. The state is not a startup. Behind every significant piece of legislation is a battle.
      • matthewfcarlson29 minutes ago
        To the people downvoting you, you just said the administration is bringing corruption into the public view. Some people believe they are exposing and some believe they are currently doing it. Either way, corruption and profiting off of a political position is certainly top of mind for many Americans atm.
        • pear013 minutes ago
          Ah interesting thanks for pointing out the ambiguity in my statement. I definitely did not intend that ambiguity but you also rightly point out it sort of works either way. I would think this would lead to more upvotes than downvotes but perhaps a trend of cynicism also is reflected in assuming the least favorable interpretation.<p>Thanks for pointing that out.<p>For the record, I meant the latter. Let the downvotes commence!
  • tokai1 hour ago
    It wouldn&#x27;t be a problem if the law was actually applied to prediction markets. If crime is de facto already legal, more laws seems like the least of ones worries.
  • sapphirebreeze58 minutes ago
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  • Steinmark52 minutes ago
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    • literatepeople45 minutes ago
      This is a bot account
      • idle_zealot34 minutes ago
        What&#x27;s the HN policy on LLM-generated comments and linked content? There&#x27;s so much of it on the front page and in threads that I feel increasingly like I&#x27;m in a crowd of machines chasing karma points rather than seeing what people think or care about. Is the engagement also botted? Or can people just not tell? Or do they not care and reply to the obvious robot anyway?
    • ferfumarma42 minutes ago
      Is there anything we can do to make it better?
      • Salgat40 minutes ago
        Strict regulations around prediction markets for everyone. Incentives around politics, war&#x2F;killing, etc need to be tightly restricted.
    • ikiris47 minutes ago
      All of these things were managed by the SEC before it was defanged. You don&#x27;t need 47 laws, you just have to enforce the basic behavior ones. We don&#x27;t. Nothing else will fix this.
  • themafia1 hour ago
    &gt; you have the perfect recipe to undermine the public’s belief that government officials are working for the public good<p>The public already does not believe this. Less than 25% approve of your work.<p>&gt; This legislation strengthens the Commodity Futures Trading Commission’s ability to go after bad actors<p>And this is designed to &quot;increase trust?&quot;