TCXO Failure Analysis

(serd.es)

40 points by zdw3 days ago

5 comments

  • namibj4 minutes ago
    The divide by two is to get the quartz small enough to fit that package.
  • myself2481 hour ago
    I&#x27;ve always been cautioned against ultrasonic cleaning of boards that have crystal oscillators, and indeed it&#x27;s in most XO datasheets.<p>I&#x27;ve also heard that one shouldn&#x27;t trim the leads of a through-hole XO before soldering it into the board, since the mechanical shock of the lead breaking can ring the whole package and similarly shake it apart. I&#x27;m curious if anyone here has seen that in practice!
    • the__alchemist20 minutes ago
      I went down this rabbit hole a few years ago, and couldn&#x27;t find an actionable answer on if this is OK or not. Sounded like &quot;No, you shouldn&#x27;t&quot;, but almost every PCB I&#x27;ve designed (or used?) has at least one, and I know ultrasonic cleaning is a thing, so I&#x27;m not sure how to reconcile these.
    • jacquesm20 minutes ago
      Oh, that&#x27;s a good one, I can see how that would put a lot of g&#x27;s on the package. I think this will be a factor depending on the weight of the total assembly. If that weight is significant it will dampen the shockwave.
  • jacquesm18 minutes ago
    That&#x27;s a very cute domain name. Thank you whoever wrote this up and posted it, I&#x27;m in the process of building something that has a crystal on it and I did not realize this was a risk.
  • kentrf1 hour ago
    Interesting writeup!<p>Today I learned about TCXO.<p>If anyone else are curious, that component cost about $2 per piece.
    • the__alchemist24 minutes ago
      Yea! Useful if you need precise timing under temp swings. I use them for UAS LoRa radios. Def more expensive than a normal XO!
      • jacquesm19 minutes ago
        But cheaper than OCXO and far less power consumption too. Also (much) less stable.
        • galangalalgol1 minute ago
          Compensating for the temperature will never be as accurate as actually controlling it (O is for ovenized). I keep reading about chip scale atomic clocks coming down in price but I&#x27;ve yet to see them as the oscillator in anything mass produced.
  • Neywiny1 hour ago
    Can&#x27;t comment on the wire bonding quality but yes you&#x27;re not supposed to sonic wash anything with an oscillator. This includes ultra and mega sonic. I had always thought it was because you could damage the crystal or mems structures, so color me surprised to see this failure mode, though there still could be a shift in frequency that the scoping wasn&#x27;t able to see.<p>I tried looking at an exemplar ECS tcxo datasheet and didn&#x27;t see anything in there about washing which is surprising but it also doesn&#x27;t say not to crush it with a hammer so maybe it was assumed. That&#x27;s bad on them.<p>As for SMA to 0.1&quot; headers: yes these are very cursed. But RF designers love putting SMAs for every connector on an eval board (power, enable, whatever) and those come in handy.