4 comments

  • tliltocatl1 hour ago
    I think the article is wrong in its core premise. While the electrons get added or removed from the floating gate, the total number of electrons in the SSD chip stays the same. Gates are capacitors, in order to add electrons to one capacitor plate, you have to remove an equal numbers of electrons from the other plate, i. e. from the transistor channel. The net charge of a SSD chip is always zero. Otherwise it would just go bang. &lt;s&gt;2.43×10^-15&lt;&#x2F;s&gt; [my bad 1] 2.67×10^15 electrons is about 300µC - that&#x27;s a lot of charge to separate macroscopically.<p>Therefore the mass (weight is a different thing, through it is proportional to mass at a given constant gravity potential) of the data on a SSD isn&#x27;t fundamentally different from a HDD - they both are caused by a change of internal energy without any change in the number of fermions. I&#x27;d expect data on SSD to have larger mass change because a charged capacitor always store more energy than a discharged one, while energy of magnetic domains is less directional and depends mostly on the state of neighbor domains - but I&#x27;m not sure about this part.<p>[1] Thanks stackghost.
    • zahlman1 hour ago
      TFA started out seeming well enough written but definitely turned LLM-padded in the middle. And yeah, I think you&#x27;re right about the actual science.
    • stackghost50 minutes ago
      &gt;2.43×10^-15 electrons<p>I believe TFA reads 2.43×10^-15 kg, not electrons. Unless SSDs are creating new and exciting physics, one can&#x27;t have less than one electron, as it&#x27;s an elementary particle.
      • jmalicki40 minutes ago
        Neutrinos weight far less than electrons (but while NAND flash involves super weird physics it&#x27;s not that weird)
        • stackghost22 minutes ago
          They do weigh far less, but a quantity of &quot;10^-15 electrons&quot; is still impossible.
  • nwellnhof54 minutes ago
    Reminds me of an old April Fools&#x27; prank in German c&#x27;t magazine. They offered a defragmentation-like tool for HDDs that claimed to distribute 0s and 1s more evenly on the drive to make it run more smoothly and extend its lifespan.
    • omgbear15 minutes ago
      I think my network card does that.
  • epx56 minutes ago
    Was expecting Boltzmann and entropy to be involved at some point :(
    • MengerSponge12 minutes ago
      Yeah, I was motivated to go Wiki diving, where I just learned about the Shannon (unit). <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shannon_(unit)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shannon_(unit)</a><p>Time to replace &quot;I&#x27;m zero surprised&quot; with &quot;That&#x27;s a zero Shannon event&quot;
  • jmclnx1 hour ago
    interesting, I wonder if one can translate this into the amount of data on the drive ? Maybe it does not matter unless one cleared the drive using dd(1).<p>Also would trimming cause a different value even though the data size remains the same ? I would think so, assuming I understand trim.