I really hope this doesn't hinder development too much. As Simon says, Qwen3.5 is very impressive.<p>I've been testing Qwen3.5-35B-A3B over the past couple of days and it's a very impressive model. It's the most capable agentic coding model I've tested at that size by far. I've had it writing Rust and Elixir via the Pi harness and found that it's very capable of handling well defined tasks with minimal steering from me. I tell it to write tests and it writes sane ones ensuring they pass without cheating. It handles the loop of responding to test and compiler errors while pushing towards its goal very well.
I've been playing with 3.5:122b on a GH200 the past few days for rust/react/ts, and while it's clearly sub-Sonnet, with tight descriptions it can get small-medium tasks done OK - as well as Sonnet if the scope is small.<p>The main quirk I've found is that it has a tendency to decide halfway through following my detailed instructions that it would be "simpler" to just... not do what I asked, and I find it has stripped all the preliminary support infrastructure for the new feature out of the code.
That sounds awfully similar to what Opus 4.6 does on my tasks sometimes.<p>> Blah blah blah (second guesses its own reasoning half a dozen times then goes). Actually, it would be a simpler to just ...<p>Specifically on Antigravity, I've noticed it doing that trying to "save time" to stay within some artificial deadline.<p>It might have something to do with the system messages and the reinforcement/realignment messages that are interwoven into the context (but never displayed to end-users) to keep the agents on task.
As someone that started using Co-work, I feel like I am going insane with the frequency that I have to keep telling it to stay on task.<p>If you ask it to do something laborious like review a bunch of websites for specific content it will constantly give up, providing you information on how you can continue the process yourself to save time. Its maddening.
That’s pretty funny when compared with the rhetoric like “AI doesn’t get tired like humans.” No, it doesn’t, but it roleplays like it does. I guess there is too much reference to human concerns like fatigue and saving effort in the training.
This is what happens when a bunch of billionaires convince people autocomplete is AI.<p>Don't get me wrong, it's very good autocomplete and if you run it in a loop with good tooling around it, you can get interesting, even useful results. But by its nature it is still autocomplete and it <i>always</i> just predicts text. Specifically, text which is usually about humans and/or by humans.
Well the essence of software engineering is taking this complex real world tasks and breaking them down into simpler parts until they can be done by simple (conceptually) digital circuits.<p>So it's not surprising that eventually autocomplete can reach up from those circuits and take on some tasks that have already been made simple enough.<p>I think what's so interesting is how uneven that reach is. Some tasks it is better than at least 90% of devs and maybe even superhuman (which, in this case, I mean better than any single human. I've never seen an LLM do something that a small team couldn't do better if given a reasonable amount of time). Other cases actual old school autocomplete might do a better job, the extra capabilities added up to negative value and its presence was a distraction.<p>Sometimes there is an obvious reason why (solving a problem with lots of example solution online vs working with poorly documented proprietary technologies), but other times there isn't. They certainly have raised the floor somewhat, but the peaks and valleys remain enormous which is interesting.<p>To me that implies there is both lots of untapped potential and challenges the LLM developers have not even begun to face.
You are not wrong, but after having started working with LLMs, I have this feeling that many humans are simply autocomplete engines too. So LLMs <i>might be</i> actually close to AGI, if you define "general" as "more than 50% of the population".
Yep. The veil of coherence extends convincingly far by means of absurd statistical power, but the artifacts of next token prediction become far more obvious when you're running models that can work on commodity hardware
If found it better to split in smaller tasks from a first overall analysis and make it do only that subtask and make it give me the next prompt once finished (or feed that to a system of agents). There is a real threshold from where quality would be lost.
It really <i>is</i> like having an intern, then
In my experience all of the models do that. It's one of the most infuriating things about using them, especially when I spend hours putting together a massive spec/implementation plan and then have to sit there babysitting it going "are you sure phase 1 is done?" and "continue to phase 2"<p>I tend to work on things where there is a massive amount of code to write but once the architecture is laid down, it's just mechanical work, so this behavior is particularly frustrating.
I hope you will excuse my ignorance on this subject, so as a learning question for me: is it possible to add what you put there as an absolute condition, that all available functions and data are present as an overarching mandate, and it’s simply plug and chug?
Why keep using it then? I simply still read websites. It's not always great but sounds better than whatever that weird dynamic is!
Yeah that happened to me with Claude code opus 4.6 1M for the first time today. I had to check the model hadn’t changed. It was weird. I was imagining that maybe anthropic have a way of deciding how much resource a user actually gets and they had downgraded me suddenly or something.
> to decide halfway through following my detailed instructions that it would be "simpler" to just... not do what I asked<p>That's likely coming from the 3:1 ratio of linear to quadratic attention usage. The latest DeepSeek also suffers from it which the original R1 never exhibited.
> that it would be "simpler" to just... not do what I asked<p>That sounds too close to what I feel on some days xD
Turn down the temperature and you’ll see less “simpler” short cuts.
For the uninitiated: Interestingly, it is not advisable to take this to the extreme and set temperature to 0.<p>That would seem logical, as the results are then completely deterministic, but it turns out that a suboptimal token may result in a better answer in the long run. Also, allowing for a little bit of noise gives the model room to talk itself out of a suboptimal path.
I like to think of this like tempering the output space. With a temperature of zero, there is only one possible output and it may be completely wrong. With even a low temperature, you drastically increase the chances that the output space contains a correct answer, through containing multiple responses rather than only one.<p>I wonder if determinism will be less harmful to diffusion models because they perform multiple iterations over the response rather than having only a single shot at each position that lacks lookahead. I'm looking forward to finding out and have been playing with a diffusion model locally for a few days.
Yup. I think of it as how off the rails do you want to explore?<p>For creative things or exploratory reasoning, a temperature of 0.8 lends us to all sorts of excursions down the rabbit hole. However, when coding and needing something precise, a temperature of 0.2 is what I use. If I don’t like the output, I’ll rephrase or add context.
I've seen behavior like that when the model wasn't being served with sufficiently sized context window
> The main quirk I've found is that it has a tendency to decide halfway through following my detailed instructions that it would be "simpler" to just... not do what I asked,<p>This is my experience with the Qwen3-Next and Qwen3.5 models, too.<p>I can prompt with strict instructions saying "** DO NOT..." and it follows them for a few iterations. Then it has a realization that it would be simpler to just do the thing I told it not to do, which leads it to the dead end I was trying to avoid.
I've been testing the same with some rust, and it's has spent a fair bit of time going through an infinite seeming loop before finally unjamming itself. It seems a little more likely to jam up than some other models I've experimented with.<p>It's also driving itself crazy with deadpool & deadpool-r2d2 that it chose during planning phase.<p>That said, it does seem to be doing a very good job in general, the code it has created is mostly sane other than this fuss over the database layer, which I suspect I'll have to intervene on. It's certainly doing a better job than other models I'm able to self-host so far.
> it's has spent a fair bit of time going through an infinite seeming loop before finally unjamming itself.<p>I think this is part of the model’s success. It’s cheap enough that we’re all willing to let it run for extremely long times. It takes advantage of that by being tenacious. In my experience it will just keep trying things relentlessly until eventually something works.<p>The downside is that it’s more likely to arrive at a solution that solves the problem I asked but does it in a terribly hacky way. It reminds me of some of the junior devs I’ve worked with who trial and error their way into tests passing.<p>I frequently have to reset it and start it over with extra guidance. It’s not going to be touching any of my serious projects for these reasons but it’s fun to play with on the side.
Some of the early quants had issues with tool calling and looping. So you might want to check that you're running the latest version / recommended settings.
> and it's has spent a fair bit of time going through an infinite seeming loop before finally unjamming itself<p>I can live with this on my own hardware. Where Opus4.6 has developed this tendency to where it will happily chew through the entire 5-hour allowance on the first instruction going in endless circles. I’ve stopped using it for anything except the extreme planning now.
I don't know much about how these models are trained, but is this behavior intentional (ie, the people pulling the levers knew that this is how it would end up), or is it emergent (ie, pulling the levers to see what happens)?
Are you running it locally with llama.cpp? If so, is it working without any tweaking of the chat template? The tool calls fail for me when using the default chat template, however it seems to work a whole lot better with this: <a href="https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.5-35B-A3B/discussions/9#699f8e8d16fcfc9bb99aa77f" rel="nofollow">https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.5-35B-A3B/discussions/9#69...</a>
I've had even better results using the dense 27B model -- less looping and churning on problems
What hardware do you have it running on? Do you feel you could replace the frontier models with it for everyday coding? Would/will you?
Around 20ish tokens a second with 6-bit quant at very long context lengths on my AMD AI Max 395+<p>I’m trying to use local models whenever possible. Still need to lean on the frontier models sometimes.
60 to 70 on a 5080, but only tinkering for now. The smaller models seem exceptionally good for what they are, and some can even do OCR reliably.
I'm getting ~30 tok/s on the A3B model with my 3070 Ti and 32k context.<p>> Do you feel you could replace the frontier models with it for everyday coding? Would/will you?<p>Probably not yet, but it's really good at composing shell commands. For scripting or one-liner generation, the A3B is really good. The web development skills are markedly better than Qwen's prior models in this parameter range, too.
what's your take between Qwen3.5-35B-A3B and Qwen3-Coder-Next?
In my tests, Qwen3.5-35B-A3B is better, there is no comparison. Better tool calling and reasoning than Qwen3-Coder-Next for Html/Js coding tasks of medium size. Beware the quants and llama.cpp settings, they matter a lot and you have to try out a bunch of different quants to find one with acceptable settings, depending on your hardware.
In my experience Qwen3.5 is better even at smaller distillations. From what I understand the Qwen3-next series of models was just a test/preview of the architectural changes underpinning Qwen3.5. So Qwen3.5 is a more complete and well trained version of those models.
In my experience qwen 3 coder next is better. I ran quite a few tests yesterday and it was much better at utilizing tool calls properly and understanding complex code. For its size though 3.5 35B was very impressive. coder next is an 80b model so i think its just a size thing - also for whatever reason coder next is faster on my machine. Only model that is competitive in speed is GLM 4.7 flash
We don't have a Qwen3.5-Coder to compare with, but there is a chart comparing Qwen3.5 to Qwen3 including Qwen3-Next[0].<p>[0] <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1rivckt/visualizing_all_qwen_35_vs_qwen_3_benchmarks/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1rivckt/visuali...</a>
What hardware are you running this on?
What is the meaning of 'A3B'?
How do those companies make money? Qwen, GLM, Kimi, etc all released for free. I have no experience in the field, but from reading HN alone my impression was training is exceptionally costly and inference can be barely made profitable. How/why do they fund ongoing development of those models? I'd understand if they release some of their less capable models for street cred, but they release all their work for free.
There has been tension between Qwen's research team and Alibaba's product team, say the Qwen App. And recently, Alibaba tried to impose DAU as a KPI. It's understandable that a company like Alibaba would force a change of product strategy for any number of reasons. What puzzled me is why they would push out the key members of their research team. Didn't the industry have a shortage of model researchers and builders?
I wonder how a US lab hasn't dumped truckloads of cash into various laps to ensure these researchers have a place at their lab
ICE has been detaining Chinese people in my area (and going door to door in at least one neighborhood where a lot of Chinese and Indians live). I was hearing about this just last week as word spread amongst the Chinese community here (Ohio) to make sure you have some legal documentation beyond just your driver's license on you at all times for protection. People will hear about this through the grapevine and it has a massive (and rightly so) chilling effect. US labs can try but with US government behaving like it is I don't think they will have much luck.<p>*edit: not that it matters, but since MAGA can't help but assume, these are all US citizens and green card holders that I am referring to.
Yeah, the Hyundai factory fiasco kind of dashed the idea that the enforcement would spare people working in favored industries setting up in the US.
<i>"Papers, please."</i> comes to the US of A.
Every administration since the foundation of ICE has removed illegal immigrants and funded ICE and immigration policy/border operations [1].<p>[1] Removals by president: <a href="https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record" rel="nofollow">https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-re...</a>
You have to show ID to pick up a prescription or open a bank account. You have to show ID for routine traffic stops. This is such a juvenile, tired argument.
“You show ID at the bank” is a classic, juvenile and tired argument because it swaps in a voluntary transaction for state coercion.<p>The concern isn’t IDs exist—it’s who’s demanding them, in what context, and what happens if you can’t comply on the spot.
Not to mention that the USA has a long history of looking down their nose at the USSR for doing exactly what the USA is doing now.<p>I forgot that HN is mostly filled with a younger generation that might not get the reference.<p>The "Papers, please." quote is a common trope in spy movies, books, etc... about the former Soviet Union.
You absolutely do not have to show ID to pick up <i>every</i> prescription; just some, which is also dependent on state law, federal law, and pharmacy.<p>But also, I don't care if it's a tired argument--this isn't about how things are, it's about how we want them to be. I don't want to live in a state action-coerced society.
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The reality is - it doesn't matter. The fact that they have had as many false positives as they have and the way they treat people in general causes it to have rippling effects even for people who are legally here, or are considering legally immigrating.<p>The risk and level of publicity is just too high for many people to even consider, especially people already intelligent/capable enough to immigrate anywhere else that doesn't have these issues or stay in their own country.
Have they had a lot of false positives? Almost every story I see seems to fall apart on further investigation. To be clear, I'm sure they have some false positives, but do they have a lot of them relative to any other immigration system?
Depends, how are we defining "false positive"? Ex:<p>1. Detained the incorrect person<p>2. Detained the correct person, with the correct legal status<p>3. Detained the correct person, with the correct legal status, but in unlawful circumstances<p>4. Detained the correct person, with the correct legal status, in ostensibly-lawful circumstances, but in a way which is unconstitutional or crazy<p>An example of the final category are the immigrants that spent <i>years</i> being vetted, following the law, and doing expensive paperwork to be citizens. ICE snatched them when they showed up on at the last second as they were to take their citizenship oath. [0] Not because of anything they did, but because today's Republican party has decided that it's OK to hurt people based on their "shithole" country of birth.<p>[0] <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/30/us-citizenship-immigration-trump" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/30/us-citizensh...</a>
These are all forms of false positives but the most popular news stories seem to be where they detain the correct person, correct legal status, lawfully, and the story happens to gloss over the facts about the legal status and focuses on the hardship. Yeah, it's a hardship to be split from your family, I can't deny that. But I'm not aware that most countries are very sympathetic to illegal immigrants.<p>If anything I find the stories featuring white/European people oddly racist because they seem to assume that I, the reader, will assume a white/European person couldn't possibly be in violation of immigration rules. But all the ones I've read turned out that they were indeed in violation of immigration rules.<p>Overall as a potential immigrant to the US myself, I find the process capricious and that US citizens by birth don't fully appreciate how painful it is or why it shouldn't be that way. But I don't find it notably worse or more onerous than the vast majority of immigration policies of other countries in practice.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. The most popular stories are the ones when they detain US citizens, rough them up, and then dump them on the side of the road somewhere without even apologizing.<p>[1] <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/ice-immigration-target-minnesota" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/ice-immigrat...</a><p>[2] <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-u-s-citizen-says-ice-forced-open-the-door-to-his-minnesota-home-and-removed-him-in-his-underwear-after-a-warrantless-search" rel="nofollow">https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-u-s-citizen-says-ice-f...</a><p>[3] <a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will" rel="nofollow">https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...</a>
I assume this is probably a function of our respective locations, because the most popular stories I see as an 'outsider' are those that would discourage tourism or immigration, not those that would worry already-citizens.<p>To address your stories specifically, my point would be that I'm still not sure whether this shows the US is notably worse on this than any other place.<p>E.g. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal</a>
> the story happens to gloss over the facts about the legal status and focuses on the hardship<p>Suppose you have a "civil infraction" against you, like an unpaid parking ticket, running across the road in an unsafe way, or overstaying a visa. It's terms of US law categories, it's less than graffiti on a fence. In this case you were "indeed in violation" of it.<p>However, what happens next is some recently hired weirdos in mismatched camo-gear claiming to be police (with no ID) surround you on the the sidewalk, drag you into a van, and imprison you for months without trial. You are purposefully shuffled between different prisons in different states to prevent your own lawyer from being able to find you.<p>Meanwhile, some internet dude nicknamed 0x40 comes along and says: "Ugh, why do you guys keep <i>glossing over</i> the facts about their parking tickets to focus on the <i>hardship</i>? Yes, it's a hardship to be split from your family, I can't deny that, but..."<p>In short, one of the several problems right now is the that even for victims that actually did <i>something</i> wrong, the "hardship" is frequently illegal and disproportional. The truthfulness of the cause does not justify the effect.
> It's terms of US law categories, it's less than graffiti on a fence<p>The 'level' of the crime is only one aspect determining the treatment.<p>Some crimes are inherently more prone to absconders, immigration infractions being one of them.<p>Now, you could just say "oh well, that means we should just not try so hard to get perfect enforcement". Which is fine. But that's obviously not the view of everyone.<p>I'm not even sure that's the view of everyone when it comes to grafitti. Plenty of people would like to be zero tolerance on that too, it just doesn't have the political momentum right now that immigration issues do. And immgrants as a class are vulnerable in a way that random natives spraying fences aren't.<p>Also, I'm not sure this really addresses the question(s) of the thread which were more along the lines of "when compared to other countries, does the US: (a) have a higher false positive rate; and/or (b) a harsher regime of treatment".<p>On that, I'm still not convinced the answer is yes. The UK, for example, has been up to almost exactly the same things. Many European and Asian countries are much worse.
"especially people already intelligent/capable enough to immigrate anywhere else that doesn't have these issues or stay in their own country" Isn't that the point? Come here legally or don't come at all.
No, all of the specific cases I heard about were Chinese people that were naturalized citizens (some for decades) who were cuffed and detained for a few hours before being released. As others have said it doesn't really matter, though. It's the sentiment that counts.
Even if you're not likely to be deported from a foreign country, you wouldn't want to face frequent gang intimidation tactics, would you? Simply feeling threatened isn't fun, <i>even if</i> nothing truly terrible will happen to you (not to speak of the real risk in being detained regardless).
Sometimes, often times no. They have detained multiple US citizens.
Any idea what the % is? Absolutes don't really make sense without being compared to the number of <i>correct</i> deportations. Detaining someone, for more information, isn't always unreasonable. For example, I was in a car accident with someone, and was not allowed to leave until the situation was understood. Was I wrongfully detained? Of course not. It was <i>part of the due process.</i>
Who cares when you get a bonus per person either way?
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> illegal citizens<p>???
The term doesn't matter. If you haven't been approved to be in a country, you shouldn't be in said country.<p>You don't go walking into the Amazon Head Office and walk up to the Executives Offices. You aren't allowed, why do you think this is acceptable?<p>Sneaking into the office (country) and then benefiting seems not right, what am I missing?
Can’t believe we have people who unironically say things like “illegal citizens need to go”. For shame. You probably are one too, would you leave first?
Legalize illegal citizens
There's a process. If the government won't follow it, why should the "illegals?"
It’s beautiful at 37 to still see new phrases sometimes, illegal citizens is a quite beautiful one, lol. (also, note the post is clearly about, to put it in your terms, legal citizens)
Yes. Yes, so true. And the phd types building these models are probably even scared in China that ICE will fly there to deport them.
What the US has done is dumped truckloads of cash to make it likely that as a legal immigrant you will be abducted and sent to a camp.
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I feel like we would disagree on the role of immigration in the US but I really appreciate you calling out how the current administration’s approach is only effective at making viral clips online. Meta comment, but it’s refreshing to talk with people who have different goals while still referencing a shared reality. Removing the masks and adding cameras shouldn’t be controversial unless your goal really is to make a paramilitary force for the president.
The unstated but obvious (to me?) goal of what ICE is doing is not to get large numbers of people out of the country, but to drive costs down for migrant labor by further disenfranchising them, making them scared, marginal, etc.<p>If they actually thoroughly evicted non-status migrant workers they'd have a outright revolt on their hands from farmers and other businesses that depend on them.<p>Instead those businesses can now take further advantage of the fear of harassment and/or deportation to drive down compensation and rights.<p>Contrast with countries like Canada that have a legal temporary foreign agriculture worker program that provides a regulated source of seasonal migrant farm worker labour under a non-citizen temporary status, but with some rights (still often abused). It's notable to me as a Canadian that I don't see this being advocated on any large scale by either party in the US.<p>Anyways, all this just to say that the jackboot clown theater is the point, not a side effect.
Limiting the supply of migrant labor drives costs <i>up</i>, not down, and the ICE raids have had a significant negative effect on businesses reliant on illegal immigrants.
Do you have numbers on how many migrant farm workers have <i>actually</i> been deported or detained?<p>Because going around and harassing and deporting <i>other</i> or non-essential non-status immigrants <i>would</i> drive labor costs down because of the chill it would put through those who are grudgingly tolerated.<p>And besides, given the quality of personality ICE seems to be employing even (especially) at its highest levels, I simply assume there's corruption such that if I'm a large orchard or whatever I simply pay ICE to stay away.
<a href="https://www.brookings.edu/articles/macroeconomic-implications-of-immigration-flows-in-2025-and-2026-january-2026-update/" rel="nofollow">https://www.brookings.edu/articles/macroeconomic-implication...</a><p>"There was a significant drop-off in entries to the United States in 2025 relative to 2024 and an increase in enforcement activity leading to removals and voluntary departures. We estimate that net migration was between –10,000 and –295,000 in 2025, the first time in at least half a century it has been negative."
They do have a revolt on their hands from farmers… go watch some of their pleas for help.
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It's not merely a matter of detainment or deportation. Racial minorities, not just immigrants, face intimidation tactics. These guys are walking into schools, they're walking into social security offices, and courthouses. They stand around menacingly just to scare people. They harass random passerby's on the street, or in the grocery store. You would feel unsafe and stressed if this happened to you, no matter your circumstances.
Unfortunately, the most extreme is that it's the new normal that now, there's >0 chance that someone, whether they are a US citizen or not apparently, child or adult, can end up in a camp, with no due process.
Give them time, they've only just started. They do waste a lot time abducting random US citizens though.
I think it would be a useful exercise to look at all the revocations of legal access in the us, and then do the division to see how we've increased the likelihood of becoming an illegal, and therefore targeted.<p>I dont think youre as right as you want to believe. Certainly not as right as I want you to believe
They already kind of do, but I think anyone who was into US money has already left for it, and the money China is throwing at the problem is pretty good also. You can also have a lot more influence in a Chinese company without having to adopt a weird new American corporate culture.
Indeed; or, Europe badly needs a competitive model to hedge against US political nonsense.
Offering „You are welcome“ relocation package to Anthropic might be a good idea.
Anthropic has gone out of their way to make a point about how much they love and admire the US state and its defense sector. Only drawing the line at a very far point and even when they drew the line it was with a big thing about how they believe in the American defense sector blah blah blah.<p>In any case, there's no way Anthropic's investors in Silicon Valley would countenance such a move.<p>Also, I'm biased the logical place is Canada, not Europe. Much of the fundamental/foundational research on LLMs, and a large part of the talent, came from universities in Canada anyways.
Given how American govt. has treated Anthropic, I think you might be right. EU truly has a remarkable opportunity to make Anthropic/Claude European.
This US administration (or any admin) would almost certainly impose export controls on US AI technology before it would allow one of the frontier model providers to be acquired/relocate outside the US. It did the same thing when ASML wanted to acquire Cymer (California company that provides the EUV light source technology). The acquisition was only allowed under strict technology sharing/export agreements with the Dutch government.<p>Europe really just needs to rally behind Mistral. That's where they should dump their cash.
Can they actually prevent it though? In typical cases there would be IP licenses involved. But in this case it's a valuation based (AFAICT) on a team of people plus their infra. What happens if they all just happened to get hired by "AnthropicEU GmbH" a new entity which has been gifted hundreds of millions in computing resources?
Having one „champion“ is flawed European approach. We need local competition and headhunting to make it fly.
I'm not sure goals are totally aligned though. The current models are created by enormous expense. We know that many stages are done incorrectly. I am confident that they can be replicated without any unique US knowledge.<p>At the moment my impression is instead that the issue is computational resources. It's important to stay near the frontier though, and to build up ones capacity to train large models.<p>Consequently I don't think we need Anthropic. It wouldn't be terrible if they came. Especially if they picked a nice location. Barcelona would be very nice, for example.
Given what Amodei thinks of spying non-US citizens, that's a hard pass from me. If you are that loyal (servile) to your country leaders, don't go elsewhere when you "discover" they are thugs. Put up with it or revolt (as Iranians are being asked to do).
There is no capital in the EU
It'd be great if they went to Mistral!
Competitive models are illegal in the EU.
China is also giving them dump trucks full of cash though. Plus you have to content with the nationalism reason (unfortunately this has died off in America for too many). The idea of building your country is valued for most Chinese I have met. Plus China is incredibly nice to live in, especially if you have lots of money and/or connections. So you can work in China, get paid lots of money, feel like you are doing good. Or In America you can get paid lots of money, and get yelled at by people online because the Government wants to use your model.
China city life is amazingly convenient. Trains and subways are just such an enormous quality of life boost. Add to that the relative cleanliness of having nearly zero homelessness and you’ve got something very compelling.<p>I will say we are winning in accessibility. China doesn’t have much of a ramp game
I got an offer out of the blue for a consulting gig in ML, offering USD 400/hr in China. Assuming this was legit (the offeror seemed legit), it looks like China is also throwing a lot of Benjamins around...
> Or In America you can get paid lots of money, and get yelled at by people online because the Government wants to use your model.<p>Isn't it just straight-up illegal in China to <i>refuse</i> the government from using your model? USA isn't perfect, but at least it has active discourse.
At least it has been decades since China Gov bombed innocent people in other countries. A peaceful and responsible government.
> A peaceful and responsible government.<p>People in Hong Kong died. Over 10,000 were arrested and many are still in prison. The rest are permanently disgraced in their social-credit society.<p>Again, USA is not perfect, but let's not dream up some fantasy about the CCP.
> People in Hong Kong died<p>Do you have a legit source for this? When I search for information, I only found this case, “Luo Changqing, a 70-year-old Hong Kong cleaner, died from head injuries sustained after he was hit by a brick thrown by a Hong Kong protester during a violent confrontation between two groups in Sheung Shui, Hong Kong on 13 November 2019.”<p>None of the other legit sources claim the police killed any of the rioters.
This "social credit" thing is dead in China.
As an American, I have no fear of calling the US President a pedo or saying Fuck the Police on my Twitter. Not the case in China. It's horrifying.<p><a href="https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-social-credit" rel="nofollow">https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-soci...</a>
> I have no fear of calling the US President a pedo or saying Fuck the Police on my Twitter.<p>Does that matter? In China people don't judge the state of their civilization by how easily you can insult the police but whether you need to be afraid to meet them on the street. "I can insult my pedophile president" (who doesn't care if you do) isn't exactly a flex.<p>It does tell us something though that the evaluation of American life now consists of parasocial interactions with the president on social media. I'm starting to belief Bruno Maçães, ex Portuguese secretary of state, was prescient with his diagnosis that American material society has rotted to the point where life is now entirely defined by virtual interactions. That's the difference between China and the US today.<p>The president's a pedophile, a criminal, undeterred by democracy, economy or social disorder but you can freely yell into the void. Have you considered that in the US one can freely say all these things precisely because that's irrelevant?
> The president's a pedophile, a criminal, undeterred by democracy, economy or social disorder but you can freely yell into the void. Have you considered that in the US one can freely say all these things precisely because that's irrelevant?<p>Americans will vote for their Congress representatives in November. They will have a chance to decide how they want their government to be run. The US President was already shot-down once by the Supreme Court (tariffs). The system is working. Let the voters decide, and then let it work.
Oh, China absolutely does not tolerate _public_ dissent very much including highly visible social media posts. Everybody there knows that.<p>But this:<p>> According to the social credit system, Chinese citizens are punishable if they indulge in buying too many video games, buying too much junk food, having a friend online who has a low credit score, visiting unauthorized websites, posting “fake news” online, and more.<p>...is just pure bullshit. There were _ideas_ about including these kinds of stuff into the score, but they have never been implemented. At this point, the social credit score is only used to find people who dodge court decisions.
Constant military drills around Taiwan isn't peaceful or responsible.<p>China is bullying lots of countries in the SCS (ramming Philippine coast guard ships, building military installations in the SCS, ...). Not peaceful or responsible.
If China was serious about a military solution for Taiwan they would be invading right now while the US is unloading into the desert.
> building military installations in the SCS<p>Many countries in the SCS are doing this. In fact China was late to the game, as Vietnam did it much earlier.
AKA defending itself against separatists and sovereignty intrusions from much less powerful aggressors with unreasonable amount of restraint. One would argue overly peaceful, and irresponsible to the point of detrimental peace disease. BTW PRC settled most border disputes in recorded history with most concessions, majority over 50%, that objectively makes PRC the most peaceful rising power in recent history. Even in SCS PRC was second last to militarize, the other disputees started land reclamations and militarization first (apart from Brunei), aka a fucked around and find out situation. Even then all PRC did was build a bigger island, instead of glassing theirs, PRC coast guard last to weaponize as well.
What's ironic is that China is desperately trying to be that country, but the US has then in a geographic/geopolitical choke hold.
Probably. There are different kinds of political power though; it seems the qwen architects are using one right now.<p>The real political power we have through our vote is probably smaller than the political power most of us here have from the option to quit.
I would imagine if it isn't illegal its a very bad idea not to. But regardless, I would bet large amounts of money that you would never get any flack for doing anything for the government. If I went on X, Threads, Bluesky, TikTok and said "Hey I am a software engineer selling awesome new technology to the government and military!" I am going to get <i>Americans</i> attacking me for supporting Trump / ICE / FBI whatever the current issue of the day is. If I did the same on Douyin or Weibo the response would be able making China strong, and there would be no criticism of that choice.
Sure, but the difference is that while the Chinese state is measurably <i>awful</i> on all sorts of human rights things within their own borders... they're not <i>currently</i> dropping bombs on foreign cities, starving a neighbour of critical petroleum shipments, or heavily funding an ally to slowly exterminate a population.
> China is incredibly nice to live in<p>I'm sure it's a very nice place to live if you're content to just stay quiet in society and never put a political sign in your yard or even just talk about the wrong thing with your friend in a WeChat.
This is an exaggeration. Nobody in China cares about what you speak with each other privately, and people talk about stupid policies all the time. The government cares about _public_ actions.<p>In practical terms, if you're not kind of person who would want to run for an office in the US, China is incredibly comfortable. Cities are safe, with barely any violent crime. Public drug use is nonexistent. And with the US-level AI researcher income, you'd be in the top 0.1% earners.
> nobody in China cares about what you speak with each other privately, and people talk about stupid policies all the time. The government cares about _public_ actions.<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47252833">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47252833</a><p>My comment and the linked video says otherwise. The guy was in a private group chat and said some nasty things about the police for confiscating his motorcycle. Now he's arrested and in the Tiger Chair.<p>How are we explaining this?
try to protest in america and see how that works out for you long-term. or say protest against genocide in gaza at an uni or generally in public…
Sigh. Let's not invent things? You can protest anything in the US just fine, with generally no consequences. Heck, our local _high_ _school_ students go out and protest everything to weasel out of classes.
Trump admin did put people in prison and then deported them, for doing nothing more than protesting.<p>Not as bad as China sure, but not as good as other civilized nations.
Let's just clarify that visitors don't have the same rights as citizens. Whether or not you agree with the current administration's policies hopefully we can agree that it is entirely reasonable for them to deport foreign political dissidents more or less at their discretion.<p>If you want to put this to the test try crossing the Canadian border and when they ask you the purpose of your visit respond that it's to attend a protest.
> Let's just clarify that visitors don't have the same rights as citizens.<p>Yunseo Chung was not a visitor. She came to the United States from South Korea at age 7. She was arrested last year for peacefully protesting. Charges against her were dropped but the govt. canceled her green card.<p>The govt. has been trying to deport her since then, but the courts keep blocking it.<p><a href="https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administration/" rel="nofollow">https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administra...</a><p>While the legality of these actions are being debated in courts, I think most of us can agree that this is reprehensible behavior on part of the Trump admin.
I agree that particular example is reprehensible.<p>I never claimed to condone the actions of the current admin. The examples of people being deported for protesting that I am familiar with are student visa holders. While I don't personally support the examples that I am aware of, I also recognize that in those specific cases the executive branch appears to be within the bounds of the law. I don't even object to the executive branch having the power to cancel the visas of political dissidents in the general case, merely to how they are choosing to apply it.<p>It's surprising to me to learn that a green card could be revoked for protected speech. That ought to fall well outside the bounds of the law IMO. Green cards and visas are entirely different things.
> Trump admin did put people in prison and then deported them, for doing nothing more than protesting.<p>Link? I’m guessing we’re going to see that this definition of “protesting” involves being aggressive and directly in the face of law enforcement officers, not merely holding a sign at a distance.
> Link? I’m guessing we’re going to see that this definition of “protesting” involves being aggressive and directly in the face of law enforcement officers, not merely holding a sign at a distance.<p>Please read up on this one example of a US permanent resident. And then justify the actions of the govt against Yunseo Chung.<p><a href="https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administration/" rel="nofollow">https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administra...</a>
this is funny if you are being sarcastic
Oh, I fully support their right to protest.<p>It just looks a bit ridiculous when students walk out in protest against things that are far outside the influence of their school, city, or even state.
> get yelled at by people online because the Government wants to use your model<p>Well duh, as recently demonstrated, an US model used by the US gov will 100% end up murdering actual children sooner than later, in this case less than a calendar year in some far flung war that many Americans do not support. Alternatively PRC model used by CCP might kill in some hypothetical future but for national reunification/rejuvenation that many Chinese support. At the end of the day, researchers and population on one side sleeps more soundly.
Chinese people are very racist towards non-Chinese. It might seem like a happy utopia, but if you aren't Chinese, then you may not really enjoy your time there. It may not be quite as bad as being black in rural US south, but being black (or anything non-Chinese) in China is still not going to be a good time.
Racism in even the worse parts of America doesn't even begin to touch the racism present in monocultural/monoracial countries.
Have you experienced racism? In Japan atleast, it was evenly applied. That company won't rent to foreigners but this one will. That company won't hire foreigners but this one will. Police will bother you if you ride a bike, but they will be polite while they waste 10 minutes of your time asking for your gaijin card for biking while foreign.<p>In the US people try to hide it and are far more sinister about it, since there are a lot of laws against obvious racism. The cops are also happy in the US to just kill you.<p>The racism in the US comes out of hate where as what I experienced abroad was more, we don't think you'll fit in and follow the rules and you have to constantly prove that you can.<p>I didn't spend too much time in China so maybe it is a racist hell hole.<p>But my experience in Japan was that white immigrants were way more inclined to make a huge deal about the lighter racism they experienced because they had never been somewhere where their skin color was a disadvantage.
This is a weird argument. Japanese racism is fine because the Japanese are polite and apply it evenly?
"we don't think you'll fit in and follow the rules and you have to constantly prove that you can"<p>I speculate that if you were a permanent minority instead of a visiting inconvenience, then that 'nice' racism you describe would metastasize into the type of racism you see in the USA. It's more friction from time and exposure added on. And, you know, slavery.
There's a very big difference between xenophobia and racism. Racism is much worse.
What do you mean by racist? I'm a white/hispanic American and spent 3 months in China and didn't really notice anything problematic towards me.
Wild to call 1.42 billion people racist despite having met very few of them.
Damn that social conscience, huh?
Yeah that was my first thought is it’s a tit for tat poach. They got the Gemini researcher so google responded in kind.
If memory serves the father of the Chinese bomb studied in America and went back. It may be inconceivable to Americans but Chinese patriotism exists.<p>Besides you can live a comfortable life in PRC nowadays or live in a racist America.
Well, the problem aren't just the NSF funding cuts. Everyone else is already dumping truckloads of cash. There's also the public health situation (who wants measles or polio?), the risk of retaliatory attacks from the countries we're at war with, etc. You could write paragraphs about why the US is less attractive to researchers.<p>When I was a deep learning PhD in the first Trump administration, US universities were already very deeply affected by the Muslim ban, and so a lot of talent ended up in other countries.<p>Sibling commentators are rightfully pointing out that foreigners, especially those who would not be recognized as white, face an onerous and risky customs process with long-term and increasing risks of deportation. When you see a headline like the NIST labs abruptly restricting foreign scientists, _everything_ else feels uncertain. Even if someone doesn't believe they're personally at risk for deportation, they're still seeing everything else.<p>And then it all boils down to a reputational thing. The era where we were the top choice for research is in the past. If you start a PhD in the US on your resume during this era, you might be anticipating how you'll answe the question of why you weren't good enough to get accepted somewhere better.
They probably have tried, but you have to have more cash than those researchers feel they can get starting their own lab. When you consider the fact that their new startup lab would have the entire nation of China as, in effect, a captive market; you start to see how almost any amount of money would be too little to convince them not to make a run at that new startup. If money is their aim.<p>I think Alibaba needs to just give these guys a blank check. Let them fill it in themselves. Absent that, I'm pretty sure they'll make their own startup.<p>I do think it'd be a big loss for the rest of the world though if they close whatever model their startup comes up with.
One thing I’ve noticed with local models is that people tolerate a lot more trial and error behavior. When a hosted model wastes tokens it feels expensive, but when a local model loops a bit it just feels like it’s “thinking.”<p>If models like Qwen can get good enough for coding tasks locally, the real shift might be economic rather than purely capability.
Been running the 32B locally for a few days and honestly surprised how well it handles agentic coding stuff. Definitely punches above its weight. Only complaint is it sometimes decides to ignore half your prompt when instructions get long, but at this size I guess thats the tradeoff.
First, thank you Junyang and Qwen team for your incredible work. You deserve better.<p>This is sad for local LLM community. First we lost wizardLM, Yi and others, then we lost Llama and others, now we lost Qwen...
I'm hopeful they will pick up their work elsewhere and continue on this great fight for competitive open weight models.<p>To be honest, it's sort of what I expected governments to be funding right now, but I suppose Chinese companies are a close second.
Getting a bit of whiplash goin from AI is replacing people, to AI is dead without (these specific) people. Surely we're far enough ahead that AI can take it from here?<p>Wild times!
Anthropic has one nine of uptime right now. One.<p><a href="https://status.claude.com/" rel="nofollow">https://status.claude.com/</a><p>If AI could effectively replace people, you wouldn’t need CEOs to keep trying to convince people.
That's 99% is two nines?
I would take their displayed uptime with a huge grain of salt. The other day Claude Code and claude.ai web were completely unavailable for me (Claude Code got into logged out state and couldn’t even log in) for at least two hours, they showed hours of “elevated errors”, yet not a single minute of downtime was recorded. And then there was yet another outage finally with recorded downtime a few hours later…<p>Edit: This incident: <a href="https://status.claude.com/incidents/kyj825w6vxr8" rel="nofollow">https://status.claude.com/incidents/kyj825w6vxr8</a>
It was 98.xx this morning when I posted.
This is pretty pedantic, but I think it's usually rounded. 1=90%, 2=99%, 3=99.9%. I'd say 98% is "not even two nines" but not "one nine".
Honestly my impression was the “nines” of reliability just means how many nines your reliability starts with, as a decimal. I never thought much about it though.<p>I will also say it’s amusing that the debate is between one and two nines. Neither is objectively great. If you built a system with >3.65 days of downtime in a year that wouldn’t be something you’d brag about in an interview.
Anthropic is a great case study in why uptime doesn’t matter. The service is so valuable that you can have one nine uptime and add $9bil ARR in 3 months.
"product market fit is when people are ripping the product out of your hands and everything is breaking constantly" - seems bullish to me
Anthropic also fires off the alarm bells seemingly at any sign of issue. I've personally only noticed an outage once, and the status page wasn't even showing it as down at that time. It eventually did update about 45 minutes later, then I was back up and running another 15 minutes later but the "outage" on the status page stayed up for another hour or so.<p>Probably good to sent alerts early, but they might be going a bit too early.
Everything on that page has two nines, so not sure what you're trying to say here.
Right now everything on that page is 98 point something, so it must be fluctuating.
This morning it was less than 99% which is one nine of reliability.<p>In any case, two nines of reliability is not impressive.
Not sure what the uptime is meant to signal. People have quite low uptime as well…
Huh? Servers aren't people and thus have completely different expectations, or what am I missing here
uptime signals reliability
9% uptime?
Who is suggesting "AI is dead without (these specific) people"? People are wondering what it means <i>specifically for the Qwen model family</i>.
We've gone from AGI goals to short-term thinking via Ads. That puts things better in perspective, I think.
Claude is incapable of producing a native application for itself, and is bad enough with web ones to justify Anthropic acquiring Bun.
I would second that Qwen3.5 is exceptionally good. In a calibration, it (35b variant) was running locally with Ada NextGen 24GB to do the same things with easy-llm-cli in comparison with gemini-cli + Gemini 3 Pro, they were at par … really impressive it ran pretty fast …
As a mathematician, lately I experimented a lot with Qwen, to produce as good as possible professional summaries and relations between articles, and in one case even a verification of misattributions claims which was used in an arXiv article.<p>All is collected in <a href="https://imar.ro/~mbuliga/ai-talks.html" rel="nofollow">https://imar.ro/~mbuliga/ai-talks.html</a>
It sounds like the lead was demoted to attract new talent, quit as a result, and the rest of the team also resigned to force management to change their minds.<p>If so, I'm happy that the team held together, and I hope that endogenous tech leads get to control their own career and tech destiny after hard work leads to great products. (It's almost as inspiring as tank man, and the tank commanders who tried to avoid harming him...)<p>(ducking the downvote for challenging the primacy of equity...)
Forget it Jake, its China(town)
I am singularly impressed by 35B/A3, hope that is not the reason he had to leave.
I tried the new qwen model in Codex CLI and in Roo Code and I found it to be pretty bad. For instance I told it I wanted a new vite app and it just started writing all the files from scratch (which didn’t work) rather than using the vite CLI tool.<p>Is there a better agentic coding harness people are using for these models? Based on my experience I can definitely believe the claims that these models are overfit to Evals and not broadly capable.
I've noticed that open weight models tend to hesitate to use tools or commands unless they appeared often in the training or you tell them very explicitly to do so in your AGENTS.md or prompt.<p>They also struggle at translating very broad requirements to a set of steps that I find acceptable. Planning helps a lot.<p>Regarding the harness, I have no idea how much they differ but I seem to have more luck with <a href="https://pi.dev" rel="nofollow">https://pi.dev</a> than OpenCode. I think the minimalism of Pi meshes better with the limited capabilities of open models.
+1 to this, anecdotally I’ve found in my own evaluations that if your system prompt doesn’t explicitly declare how to invoke a tool and e.g. describe what each tool does, most models I’ve tried fail to call tools or will try to call them but not necessarily use the right format. With the right prompt meanwhile, even weak models shoot up in eval accuracy.
Have frontier lab do the plan which is the most time consuming part anyways and then local llm do the implementation.
Frontier model can orchestrate your tickets, write a plan for them and dispatch local llm agents to implement at about 180 tokens/s, vllm can probably ,manage something like 25 concurrent sessions on RTX 6000
Do it all in a worktrees and then have frontier model do the review and merge.
I am just a retired hobbyist but that's my approach, I run everything through gitea issues, each issue gets launched by orchestrator in a new tmux window and two main agents (implementer and reviewer get their own panes so I can see what's going on). I think claude code now has this aspect also somewhat streamlined but I have seen no need to change up my approach yet since I am just a retired hobbyist tinkering on my personal projects. Also right now I just use claude code subagents but have been thinking of trying to replace them with some of these Qwen 3.5 models because they do seem cpable and I have the hardware to run them.
What is "the new qwen model"? There are a dozen and you can get them in a dozen different quantizations (or more) which are of different quality each.
In my experience Qwen3.5/Qwen3-Coder-Next perform best in their own harness, Qwen-Code. You can also crib the system prompt and tool definitions from there though. Though caveat, despite the Qwen models being the state of the art for local models they are like a year behind anything you can pay for commercially so asking for it to build a new app from scratch might be a bit much.
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Does anyone know when the small Qwen 3.5 models are going to be on OpenRouter?
More discussion:<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47246746">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47246746</a>
I wonder if an american company poached one/all of them. They've been pretty much bleeding edge of open models and would not surprise me if Amazon or Google snatched them up
> me stepping down. bye my beloved qwen.<p>the qwen is dead, long live the qwen.
My conspiracy theory hat is that somehow investors with a stake in openai as well is sabotaging, like they did when kicking emad out of stabilityai
More likely some high ranking party member's nepobaby from Gemini sniffed success with Qwen and the original folks just walked away as their reward disappeared.
apples v.s. oranges. The later is true, Emad did get sabotaged (for not being able to raise money in time, about 8-month before he's leaving). Junyang didn't have that long arc of incidents.
Interesting reading this. It reminds me of my time in cryptocurrency sector. I suspected that some team members were paid by Ethereum folks to sabotage our project. Why do I suspect Ethereum? Because our project founders ended up switching to the Ethereum ecosystem and ignored/suppressed better solutions from their own ecosystem. I think there's something about tech hype which attracts these kinds of people who like to play dirty.
Were they kneecapped by Anthropic blocking their distillation attempts?
What Anthropic was complaining about is training on mass-elicited chat logs. It is very much a ToS violation (you aren't allowed to exploit the service for the purpose of building a competitor) so the complaint is well-founded but (1) it's not "distillation" properly understood; it can only feasibly extract the same kind of narrow knowledge you'd read out from chat logs, perhaps including primitive "let's think step by step" output (which are not true fine-tuned reasoning tokens); because you have no access to the actual weights; and (2) it's something Western AI firms are very much believed to do to one another and to Chinese models all the time anyway. Hence the brouhaha about Western models claiming to be DeepSeek when they answer in Chinese.
what the hell, their models were promising tho
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I use Qwen 3 Coder Next daily on my mac as my main coding agent. It is incredibly capable and its strange how you are painting this picture as if its a fringe use case, there are whole communities that have popped up around running local models.
Can I doubt your claim? I have had such terrible luck with AI coding on <400B models. Not to mention, I imagine your codebase is tiny. Or you are working for some company that isnt keeping track of your productivity.<p>I am trying super hard to use cheap models, and outside SOTA models, they have been more trouble than they are worth.
Yesterday, I got Qwen-Coder-Next to build a python script that reads a Postman collection, pulls the data from it to build a request to one of the endpoints, download a specific group of files whose URLs were buried in the JSON payload in that endpoint, then transform then all to a specific size of PNG, all without breaking a sweat. I didn't even have to tell it to use Pillow, but it did everything to a T.<p>Use case means everything. I doubt this model would fare well on a large codebase, but this thing is incredible.
Absolutely. So my codebase is huge, it's a monolith. But my work is in very specific parts of the codebase, I don't pull the entire code base into context (and I don't think that is common practice even with claude) - I start at a specific point with a specific task and work with the agent to achieve something clearly defined, for example writing tests, extracting things into separate files, refactoring or even scaffolding a new feature. You have to periodically start new threads, because you'll start hitting the limits of the context, but I max it out at over 200k because I have the memory overhead on my 128gb mbp to do that, so I can get quite a lot done.<p>I really recommend trying the Qwen models - 3 coder next is really incredible. GLM 4.7 flash is also incredibly performant on modest hardware. Important things to consider is setting the temperature and top_p and top_k values etc based on what is recommended by the provider of the model - a thing as simple as that could result in a huge difference in performance.<p>The other big leap for me was switching to Zed editor and getting its agent stuff just seamlessly integrated. If you run LM Studio on your local machine it's super easy and even setting it up on a remote machine and calling out to LM Studio is dead simple.
The thing I'm most excited about is the moment that I run a model on my 64GB M2 that can usefully drive a coding agent harness.<p><i>Maybe</i> Qwen3.5-35B-A3B is that model? This comment reports good results: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47249343#47249782">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47249343#47249782</a><p>I need to put that through its paces.
Yesterday I test ran Qwen3.5-35B-A3B on my MBP M3 Pro with 36GB via LM Studio and OpenCode. I didn’t have it write code but instead use Rodney (thanks for making it btw!) to take screenshots and write documentation using them. Overall I was pretty impressed at how well it handled the harness and completed the task locally. In the past I would’ve had Haiku do this, but I might switch to doing it locally from now on.
I suppose this shows my laziness because I'm sure you have written extensively about it, but what orchestrator (like opencode) do you use with local models?
I managed to get qwen2.5-coder:14B working under ollama on an Nvidia 2080 Ti with 11GB of VRAM, using ollama cli, outputting what looks like 200 words-per-minute to my eye<p>It has been useful for education ("What does this Elixir code do? <Paste file> ..... <general explanation> "then What this line mean?")<p>as well as getting a few basic tests written when I'm unfamiliar with the syntax. ("In Elixir Phoenix, given <subject under test, paste entire module file> and <test helper module, paste entire file> and <existing tests, pasted in, used both for context and as examples> , what is one additional test you would write?")<p>This is useful in that I get a single test I can review, run, paste in, and I'm not using any quota. Generally I have to fix it, but that's just a matter of reading the actual test and throwing the test failure output to the LLM to propose a fix. Some human judgement is required but once I got going adding a test took 10 minutes despite being relatively unfamiliar with Elixir Phoenix .<p>It's a nice loop, I'm in the loop, and I'm learning Elixir and contributing a useful feature that has tests.
I think this is directing coders towards self-sufficiency and that's a good thing. If they don't end up using it for agentic coding, they can use it for running tests, builds, non-agentic voice controlled coding, video creation, running kubernetes, or agent orchestration. So no, it's not evil, even if it doesn't go quite as expected.
inb4 qwen is less of a supply chain risk than anthropic
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