I'm not sure why the negative tone in this thread.<p>The MBA is an amazing value, and appears to have only gotten slightly <i>cheaper</i>.<p>This is a solid product, that continually receives incremental improvements and delivered at a lower price point (when spec'd out).
The MBA is an absolutely solid product that is actually sufficient for the large majority of full stack devs. I use it (MBA 15" M3) with a large complex TypeScript code base, and it is fast and amazing at 24GB of ram or more.
This laptop should be good enough for 90%+ of all users out there for 5-10 years
<i>>I'm not sure why the negative tone in this thread.</i><p>Which negative tone? 90% the mainline comments I see are positive.
I'm glad the air now comes standard with 16GB of RAM and 512GB disk space.<p>It's not that the M1 with 8/256GB was slow at all, but even browsing the web gets into 12GB of usage and exhausting the 256GB is fairly easy if you backup your 256GB phone, try to edit a few videos, download enough Gradle/Go/Cargo/Node packages, or install enough 20GB office apps.<p>Any apple silicon with 16GB / 512GB of stage (even the M1 series) should have a much longer useful life and avoid disk/storage aging as rapidly from the constant swapping.
I'm excited about this. The previous generation base model 15" Air was good enough for our company to make it the default computer for everyone. Previously we were giving out base model MBP's. And they're $1000 cheaper.<p>Today, the MBP is just way too powerful for anything other than specific use cases that need it.
I have noticed something similar. With the computer science undergrads and grad students I work with, Air is much more common than with the premeds and med students, many of whom have MBPs (who I am presuming do not need that much power).
The one thing that interests me most when it comes to laptops these days is weight. So I jumped right into the tech specs section and looked it up. Since this is the "Air" laptop of the company that is popular for thin and lightweight devices, my hopes were high.<p>But ...<p>The 13 inch version is heavier than a ThinkPad X1 Carbon. Which has a 14 inch screen and can run Linux.
I bought a ThinkPad X1. Had to send it back for repairs three times in the first year, including a complete motherboard replacement, and it died again immediately after the warranty expired. Been a $2800 door stop since then. The case is flimsy plastic that gets beat to crap easily. The trackpad is over-sensitive in all the wrong ways which makes it hard to use as an actual laptop. Plus it's weaker and slower than an Air. Also unbearably loud and unbearably hot.<p>I don't like Apple as a company and I don't particularly like MacOS, but no one except Apple makes a laptop worth a damn.
The Air is going to run laps around the X1, in literally every benchmark you can come up with besides "its not open source". I have that same processor in a much bulkier thinkpad and it thermal throttles instantly doing basic office multi-tasking, with the fan running constantly.<p>Also its made out of metal.
The X1 Carbon is getting updated to Panther Lake, and Panther Lake is getting competitive with the M5.<p>> in literally every benchmark you can come up<p>Nope, Panther Lake will win most gaming benchmarks. The M5 will win most others but not by "running laps around" levels.
Thinkpads have track points, macs don't.<p>That benchmark is really important to me due to RSI. Track points save me a buttload of hand pain.
What basic office tasks are that?<p>The last time I was excited about the performance of local computers was in the 90s I think.<p>Modern laptops are so insanely fast. Not sure if they are 2x, 10x or 100x faster than I need them to be. But I never hear fans. I never have to wait for the machine these days.
It has always been like this. Apple's signature for their laptops is their aluminium body and people seem to like it.
I like the aluminum body a lot. I'm not particularly clumsy, but each of my macbooks ends up with some fall damage at some point over the 5+ years that I have it.<p>When I used to be assigned a plastic Dell work laptop, I dropped one onto the carpeted floor of my office because I thought it was going into my padded sleeve of backpack and that cracked the case, and broke the screen. I've accidentally yoinked my MBA (last intel one they made) off my desk, and while it dented the body of it, nothing broke. That is now my drum computer, and it gets regularly pelted with drumsticks when my grip tires.
It's essential for thermals. Without the unibody, it would throttle sooner and you'd lose performance.
The aluminium chassis cannot be used for heat dissipation without risk of harming users. Which is why there is a "macbook air peformance mod" to add thermal-interface-material (instead of thermal insulation) to turn the chassis into a heatsink.<p>It's not a heatsink by default.
Air has no thermal connection to the chassis for the purpose of making it safe to have in contact with skin.<p>People have been modding theirs to make this contact, though. And been getting a significant performance boost out of it.
I believe we are talking about slightly different things. Yes if they thermally coupled the body to the processor, then a small patch of the body would get very hot, burning the user.<p>However, the fact that the aluminum gets hot during prolonged use means that it is acting as a heat sink and cooling the CPU compared to a body made of plastic. Thermodynamics, it's the law!
>However, the fact that the aluminum gets hot during prolonged use means that it is acting as a heat sink and cooling the CPU compared to a body made of plastic. Thermodynamics, it's the law!<p>Not really. It's picking up "stray heat" that is radiated from the copper heatsink inside and conduction from the air in the fan system. It does not improve cooling the processor in any kind of manner. If it were plastic, the plastic would get warm too. Maybe it'll be a 2 degree difference.<p>Direct contact or bust.
The original Air lineup was thinner in the front and seemed a little lighter. The thicker front on newer airs gives more battery life, but I'm not a fan of it.
I'm in the same boat. I have one of the original M1 MacBook airs, and the thicker front feels like overall a downgrade in hardware. Going up to higher ram amounts might be good for some of my datasets, but it's not needed for any software I run.<p>So I guess I'll wait for the next cycle and hope they return to the "Air" idea again.
The thinness at the front was a bit of a hack though wasn’t it? So Steve Jobs could make it look good in photographs. I’d take the extra battery life any day.
I like the touchpad. Is there any competitor which is as good and exact? I noticed in Linux, it's not as exact.
But then you'd have to have a plasticky thinkpad with half the screen resolution...
It comes with a 2880 x 1800 120Hz OLED
<a href="https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx1/thinkpad-x1-carbon-gen-13-aura-edition-14-inch-intel/21nscto1wwgb2" rel="nofollow">https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx1/t...</a><p>For an RRP of £3,259.99?<p>Compare that to the base 512GB, 16GB memory macbook air @ £1099.<p>The next comparable X1 Carbon I can find is:
<a href="https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx1/thinkpad-x1-carbon-gen-12-14-inch-intel/21kc00eguk" rel="nofollow">https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx1/t...</a><p>RRP: £1,900.00 with this crappy display: 14" WUXGA (1920 x 1200), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, 100%sRGB, 400 nits, 60 Hz
X1 Carbons have had 1800p screens for years now. They've also offered OLEDs for the past few generations.<p>Apple fanboys seem to lack the ability to google tech specs.
Same here. If the rumored A18 Pro MacBook stays under 1kg, it would be very compelling.<p>Regarding lightweight laptops, the Fujitsu FMV Note U series (14-inch) weighs only 634g-917g with Arrow Lake 255H and a replaceable battery.
I really like my X1 Carbon gen 7, aside from the bizarre Ethernet "port" (it has built-in Ethernet, but they didn't have room for RJ45, so instead of just telling you to buy a USB one it's on a dongle that blocks one of its two USB-C ports when plugged in, eliminating the advantage of "doesn't use a USB port"). But aside from fantastic Linux support, it's got little to recommend it over a similar-vintage MBA, which has a much better look and feel.
If anybody else wondered about figures:<p>13.6 inch 2560x1664 screen, 1.23kg (13" Mac)<p>14.0 inch 1920x1200 screen, 0.98kg (14" Thinkpad)
I'm in the same boat and finding it disappointing.<p>For people saying this machine is so much faster, I don't care. My situation isn't the norm, but we're on HN. I have a powerful desktop that's my main compute machine and my laptop is a terminal. I need a web browser, whatever corporate shovelware I need, and a ssh connection (and tailscale). If I wanted to do real work locally I wouldn't be getting an Air.<p>While realizing I'm not the typical user, it's not like the typical Air user needs much compute anyways. The general public just uses web browsers.<p>Though one thing I'd love is if they could add just a little distance between the keyboard and screen so my screen doesn't get so dirty constantly... doesn't anyone use lotion at Apple?
i run fedora and arch on my m2 air, via the UTM app which wraps Apple Silicon hypervisor, and it's _fantastic_.
In NL I can buy a base Macbook Air with 16G memory and 512G SSD voor 1199,- inc tax.<p>I just looked up my M1 receipt:
in 2020 I bought a Macbook Air M1 with 16G memory and 512G SSD for 1399,- inc tax.<p>I did not expect the price for a base machine to go down in 2026.
I wish they would provide Linux support. I can't stand OSX.
It seems like there are a decent number of people finding Asahi stable enough for regular use: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AsahiLinux/comments/1quko4w/how_viable_is_asahi_right_now/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/AsahiLinux/comments/1quko4w/how_via...</a><p>I imagine there are still some rough edges (and it seems like distro choices are probably a bit lacking at the moment if you prefer something outside of a few specific mainstream options) but given how niche ARM support was before the first M1 machines, the progress that's happened so far is honestly pretty astounding. Given that the iterations from M[n] to M[n + 1] seem less large than the initial leap from Intel to M1, it doesn't seem that crazy to imagine they'll end up closing the gap even further to the point where you could probably assume a similar level of hardware support from Asahi for a year-old Macbook as you would for a year-old non-Apple laptop.<p>As for Apple "supporting" Linux, my perception is that if they wanted to make it harder than it was for the people working on Asahi to even get this far, they almost certainly could have. It seems like they're probably doing the same thing that most laptop vendors do, which is not explicitly support it but also not go out of their way to block it either. For a company with the reputation and history Apple has, I think that's a pretty huge win for the community, and even as someone who overall has a somewhat negative inclination to purchase from them, I have to admit that they seem way less hostile to Linux on their ARM machines than I would have predicted.
Good news, intel panther lake (and the laptops they come in) are on par with M5 macbooks in almost every way.<p>This year is a lot more competitive than any of the past ~4 years for premium laptops.<p>The asus expertbook ultra even has a much better screen, a much better keyboard, and a very similar haptic trackpad. Weighs less than a 13 inch macbook air too. There's cheaper options too that are close to as good (minus the screen).
Then support companies like Tuxedo, System 76, Dell, Asus,....<p>The only time Apple supported first class Linux on their consumer hardware was with MkLinux, and that was when everything was going down in flames and they needed to survive somehow.
Same. I was on macOS for work for about 3 years. Never gelled with me.<p>I was on an M2 Macbook Pro with Asahi and it was great. It's really hard to fault Apple's hardware for most use cases.<p>I'm currently on a Strix Halo laptop (HP Zbook), which is about as expensive, and the hardware is great, but power efficiency and build quality lag leagues behind by Apple. A 4000 euro laptop still feels like a cheap toy.
One of us! :)<p>Currently in a brief macos phase before I can be issued my Linux laptop at work. It's so clunky. A major annoyance for me right now is the lack of MST multi-screen over USB which means my nice daisy-chained home setup is fine on my near-decade-old Dell but doesn't work at all on the fancy Macbook. They have the hardware to support it, they just don't.<p>Generally the hardware with Apple is amazing but I'll take the hit on that and things like battery life just to get an OS that feels like it's on my side.<p>I'd maybe consider Asahi for home use but I'd be wary of it for work. Perhaps in a few years.
Agreed - I just can't get excited about the world's fastest CPU core running on the world's most locked-down and developer-unfriendly OS.
I have yet to understand myself why did I pay $2300 something for M4 Pro with 512gb storage. Like, for that kind of money, I should have gotten at least 1 TB.<p>My worst purchase thus far.
I went for an M4 Max, 128GB RAM and 2TB storage. My thinking is that we've crossed the rubicon of expecting tech to be orders of magnitudes faster a decade out. It won't be.<p>I expect this MacBook Pro (2024) to last a decade and inflation to eat away at value of cost/benefit of future purchases so I got the best one I could possibly afford. Meaning whatever entry level Apple laptop is available in 2034 will be only a small multiple faster than than my top of line 2024 one. I could be wrong as well but that's the dice roll.
> why did I pay<p>Indeed, why did you? Didn't you read product specs for a device that costs nearly 2-and-a-half grand?
The thing with storage is you pay for it immediately-but you get zero value from it until you cross the smaller size boundary.<p>When my 1TB had about 400GB on it, the extra space "was worthless" - but now it's useful (though I have my suspicions that most of the extra space is being taken up by cloud caches).
I paid for an M1 Max when it came out. It was like $4500 AUD at the time.<p>I mean its still a decent machine, but man, I can get an M5 now for just over half the price...<p>(oh dang that was like nearly 5 years ago now)
I don't much use Macs anymore, but it's been interesting to watch Apple increasingly shift from 'big' innovation to incremental improvements of mature products. The 'innovation' they offer seems to largely be in these increments now.
I love my MacBook Air 15" M3 so much. It is large fast and light. While I really appreciate the improved M5, my main ask is actually a brighter screen. The current 500 nits is a bit low if you are ever not in a dark room.<p>Anyhow, because the differences between my M3 and the new M5 are just the CPU/GPU and I am not actually hurt much by the current CPU speed, I won't be upgrading.
Wow, 512GB of storage on the base model! That means the more reasonable 1TB option is cheaper now (+$200 over base).
The M4 MacBook Air (16gb, 1TB) retailed for $1400 (<a href="https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1884084-REG/apple_mba13m4sb_15_13_macbook_air_m4.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1884084-REG/apple_mba...</a>).<p>The M5 equivalent is now $1300. 1TB requires the CPU upgrade.
Yes, previously the 512GB Air was $1200, now it's $1100.
Seems to be the expected relatively small refresh, mostly just adding the M5?<p>The language towards the end of the press release implies to me that they're targeting last-gen Intel MacBook Air users thinking about upgrades more than anyone with an M2/3/4 MacBook.
Yep, seems like an expected spec bump. M4 to M5, base storage bumped from 256GB to 512GB, price increased by $100.
The base Macbook Air continues to be an absolutely great deal.
Damn. Will this company ever make a Mac with cellular built in
Yeah not sure if it's so necessary.<p>Everyone carries their phone. Power users (i.e. nomads who need connectivity in many different places) have lots of unlimited data plans available that are modestly priced (I've travelled asia the last few months and used e-sims for like $10 a month in each country). And that's a niche group, but even they have their phone as a hotspot. Downside is that it burns battery, but if you're sitting somewhere for any length of time that battery would matter, just plugging-in basically resolves that.<p>The vast majority of us are either at home, work, friends/family or a rotating set of a few local cafe's, all of which are in our wifi auto-connect list, and have their phone hotspot for the rare occasion there is no wifi.<p>Then for the powerusers you could just buy a mobile hotspot device as well, basically what your phone does but it's just connectivity + battery.<p>It's not as cheap a part as you'd think, estimates range between $100 and $300 extra per laptop, even though it seems like a niche thing for which alternatives at lower/similar price points (phone/dedicated device) already exist. So I'm not sure we're going to see it anytime soon. Maybe with Apple making its own modems now it'll happen in a few years. Previously it'd just make for a more expensive device for something few users need (and shipping cheap devices to everyone is a priority with their service business of $100b in 2025, more than Tesla with a market cap of 1 trillion)
> The vast majority of us are either at home, work, friends/family or a rotating set of a few local cafe's, all of which are in our wifi auto-connect list, and have their phone hotspot for the rare occasion there is no wifi.<p>So the minority that goes further than that doesn't matter? Also "rare occasion there is no wifi" is a very city-centric view, and a bit out of touch. We're talking about a trillion dollar hardware company here, asked to add a tiny modem to a laptop. It's a dead simple change.<p>If I was in the position to buy a premium laptop, work on the go a lot, and enjoy being in nature, I'd 100% want cellular in my laptop. There's zero downsides for someone like that.
Not saying a minority of users doesn't matter, just saying it's bad business to increase the price of an entry-level laptop by $200 for a minority user who has alternative solutions that are free or cheap.<p>Apple traditionally keeps a simple line-up of 3 or 4 models per product category. And each product has limited simple upgrade options consisting of normal vs expanded ram/storage/cpu.<p>Could they technically create 300 models with every permutation? From cellular, to touch-screen laptop, oled/led screen, different ports, battery sizes etc.<p>Sure, but they'd be confusing their customers with a complicated product offering and adding complexity in their supply chain hurting their margins, to pursue ever smaller niches that don't improve their bottom line, while competing with small niche brands that already cater to this demand.<p>And what's the point? You have cellular on your phone and a $3 usb cable plugs it into electricity, meaning you already have cellular for your laptop. You can buy dedicated cellular hotspots the size of a Airpods case that you can throw into any bag, jean or or jacket pocket.<p>Now if a cellular modem was a $1 part, sure, throw it in there. But it's not, again if you look at industry prices it adds between $100 and $300 to the retail price.<p>A $200 price bump makes sense for a common need, not for a niche use for an entry-level laptop model, in fact raising the price of an entry-level laptop by $200 is absolutely nuts for a minority use. Niche users can plug in their phone or buy a dedicated hotspot. You say I have a city-centric view, sorry but I don't know if you're not familiar with the typical macbook air buyer. Southpark did a satirical episode about them and it's not far from the truth.<p>Macbook Pro would be a different story, but this thread is about the air. I do think they'll introduce it in the next 2 years because Apple started to build its own modems. Previously they'd basically increase their entry-level product by a lot just to offload the majority of that price increase as revenue for Qualcomm, it was an entirely bad business decision and no surprise they didn't take it.
> Could they technically create 300 models with every permutation? From cellular, to touch-screen laptop, oled/led screen, different ports, battery sizes etc.<p>Nice slippery slope.<p>All they need is 2-3 higher-end configs to start with (aka people who are already spending more on RAM/storage) with an additonal checkbox for 5G/cellular. It may not be optimal for business, but there's a market for it, I guarantee you.<p>They literally make $200 ipad keyboards that are extremely unremarkable yet they still sell well.<p>They make a vision pro, that can't even do a quarter the things a $1000 macbook can do; and still build them to this day, despite the massive complexity of that hardware combined with the tiny target market.<p>But a cell modem in a computer is too niche? You know the ipad has had modems right? Is a macbook any less deserving of a modem (or any less difficult to add a modem too) than an ipad?
I don't think that would be very popular considering how easy it is to hotspot to your phone. Their watches only offer cellular because they're frequently used away from a phone.<p>I would love it though if they did, but it would probably require a data-only esim.
Yeah, I'm surprised this request still comes up a lot in techie circles. 15 years ago it made sense. When I packed up and moved to San Francisco with nothing but an AirBnB for a few days, I didn't even have a smartphone, so I bought an iPad with cell data to be able to look for apartments. But these days, it's gotta be a pretty rare scenario to not have a smartphone with a data plan and at least a way to upgrade to enable tethering.
They do it for iPad but yeah probably niche
When they don't have to pay a percentage of sales price as royalty to Qualcomm.
Because of the integration between the iPhone and the Mac it is extremely easy to tether your Mac to your phone. Like three clicks easy. Why would anyone want to pay for another data plan?
Yeah that would be nice. My thinking is that they don't want to cannibalize ipad sales.
All of the rumors pointed that this time in the refresh cycle is a spec bump and if they ever were going to make a Mac with cellular it would be the end of the year with the Macbook Pro redesign.
The rumours are that this is coming later this year with the M6 generation (along with OLED touch screens).
why?
I've been using Macbook Pros for a long time. I usually spend 3-4k on them. I recently purchased an 14" Asus ZenBook for $1300 and loaded Omarchy Linux on it. I wanted to have something less expensive and lightweight for traveling. I really like it a lot! I notice that it is a little slower than my Macbook Pro, but the performance completely acceptable for most things.
laptops seem kinda solved now? for every cpu vendor and every os theres now a great option that just, works, so everyone can just use what they like and not be at a disadvantage due to not knowing the latest developements in the space, or due to habitual preference. Good type of boring
I am still waiting for Mac Mini with M5
and MacStudio!
What do you use the Mac Studio for?<p>I’ve always felt they weren’t really worth it for performance per dollar spent. For C++ work I just use a non-Mac workstation. For lighter workloads the Mac Mini is very capable already.
The Studio (Stud IO™) is the new Mac Pro - it's not "worth it" unless you need <i>the most performance period</i> - or you have money to spare.<p>Or you really, really need to drive eight displays from a single machine.<p>For "home user" stuff a Mac mini or MacBook is going to do everything you ever need (in fact, they have the problem where the M1 systems are still perfectly capable, six years later).
studio with m5 ultra this week might have me pulling the trigger.
Wow it's so exciting. And next year there will be a M6 MacBook looking exactly the same with slightly different specs.<p>Hardware is completely boring now. That also applies to Phones
Finally the specs which were actually needed!
What about MacBook Pro M5? Waiting for that one.
Looking at the M5 Max specifically, two thoughts:<p>1) The price for a 14" model with the most powerful Max processor with 128GB of RAM ($5099 with all else left at the default settings) doesn't seem to have jumped <i>hugely</i> considering what's being going on with RAM prices in the world.<p>2) Interesting/disappointing that they aren't offering a model with even more RAM, further jumping on the local inference train.
Production question, then, for those who know about these things: how far ahead would Apple have locked in their prices for buying RAM for this line, for the units that are part of the initial release?
Yeah and also they still want to get at least some sales on the mac studios and mac pros with ultra chips, 256gb m5 max wouldve straight up killed both of those products.<p>We can have nice things but nobody is going to hurt themselves to give out things that are the very best possible, theres probably a lesson in this
What about the screen refresh rate? Do they deliberately keep it at 60hz so people would buy a MacBook Pro?
Not exciting at all, but a nice incremental upgrade. I always enjoy incremental upgrades from Apple as they're usually significant, and 4 years worth of increments add up to big leaps, to the point my 8 year upgrade cycle is usually quite exciting.<p>Though a bit disappointing that it came with a $100 (almost 10%, above inflation) price bump. There's not much point to a spec bump when it's paired with a price bump, and faster specs for more money is usually an option. This negative price-sensitivity is particularly important for a model (Air) that caters to casual users, who typically aren't at all begging for spec bumps, and certainly not willing to pay much extra for them.<p>Yes the new cheap macbook will fill the gap below it, but the new MBA's don't seem like great value play. I recently bought a new old M2 model for roughly a 40% discount for my girlfriend and the value is insane. Same ports, screen, battery life, same formfactor/weight/keyboard, same software, storage, memory. Only it doesn't have the latest fast M5 chip, but for almost all Air users I think that's not a necessity. Certainly my gf wouldn't experience a difference in the next 6-8 years of use I think she'll reasonably get out of this thing.<p>Which is a fantastic position to be in, Apple creates so much value here that older models are amazing and affordable. But new models just don't seem very interesting to buy.
But is it really a price bump? Yesterday the 512GB M4 Air was $1200, now the 512GB M5 Air is $1100, at least apples to apples.<p>Kinda is, kinda isn't.
Fair point, I think I'll eat my words then.<p>The entry-level option however does constitute a forced bump in minimum-spend on the part of the customer of $100, even if in a spec-vs-spec comparison there is no bump. And you can argue this isn't great for an entry-level apple laptop mostly for casual users that don't need or are willing to pay for 512gb.<p>But the cheaper macbook is set to be announced tomorrow, probably filling some of the gap the M4->M5 left behind. So I think that probably neatly resolves it. Looks like it all makes sense.
If Apple introduces a $799 or $899 'value' MacBook (like iPad / iPad Air / iPad Pro lineup), they could say it's $300 off the MacBook Air's price now, with that $100 bump.<p>(I'm still surprised Apple isn't bumping their prices more due to RAM pricing, but maybe they're absorbing a little bit of their margins to potentially increase market share.)
Damn, it feels like just yesterday they announced the Macbook Air with M4.<p>Time flies...