I'm deeply saddened that they didn't add a 3.5mm audio/headphone jack.<p>There was a community poll and I believe a headphone jack was the second-most requested feature after a MicroSD slot.<p>I appreciate they have to draw a line under the feature set somewhere, however the cost of an audio jack is literal pennies and I'm quite sure the PCB designers could have squeezed it in somewhere.<p>As someone who has no interest in wireless accessories it makes me unwilling to buy the phone.
Some people said it's using libhybris. I thought this one was vanilla Linux. Any pointers either way?
What does it mean it's "governed by European privacy". Isn't Europe who wants to prevent privacy with things like Chat Control?
Chat Control was nowhere near to become law. Last Fall, they would have voted about whether they really talk about it, but even that failed. Even if it would have been successful, nothing would have guaranteed that it becomes a law, or that it wouldn’t have been watered down completely. And the whole topic was kept alive somehow when it was well known even in September that the proposal was dead, because Germany doesn’t support it, and they didn’t have the necessary number of votes. Yet, there were articles even in November which stated that Germany decided only at that time that they don’t support it, which was obviously not true. It seemed to me like an artificial bubble of outrage. It was a bad proposal, so the outrage was needed until September. It’s just strange that people still pretend that it’s not dead after half year after it became impossible to even consider it in the parliament.
And it was Europe who, every time, fought back and won.<p>It works both ways.
Given that it has been struck down multiple times now, it's the minority of European Union members. Making a blanket statement of "Europe" (which btw is not the same as EU) is just insulting.
EU has GDPR. US has the Cloud Act.<p>Chat Control is a proposal. The other two above are established regulations on either side of the Atlantic.
HN discussion from four months ago, including reports from people who have been using Jolla phones for some time (e.g., me):<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45785840">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45785840</a>
They have 10,000 preorders and will be in Mobile World Congress<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/anttisaarnio_just-incredible-jolla-just-sold-10000-activity-7433876516570087424-Yl6M" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/posts/anttisaarnio_just-incredible-...</a>
Nokia N900 was really great, Jolla has some of the former team people.<p>I only jumped into Android after my Symbian phone died, and by then Symbian Belle, with QT and PIPS (PIPS Is POSIX on Symbian OS), it was already shapping great.<p>That Burning Memo was really a downer.
"Burning the boats," in the form of getting rid of Jolla (and whatever happened to Meego) is one of those management aphorisms that needs to die. As it turns out, having an alternative to Windows phone would've been a better decision. No guarantee of success, but less of an irrecoverable failure at least. Where is that Elop guy now?
Loved my N900 also, it was peak phone for me.<p>But more importantly, we need an alternative to two big tech companies who are cranking the enshittification dial right up while also remaining under a particular country's laws.
What does full-stack mean here?
Phone is fully produced in Europe?
Software and online storage fully provided by European company?<p>edit: I want this phone, I have reserved a slot in the coming batch.<p>Just posing as an average Joe here, someone who does not host their own storage, calendar, contacts, phone tracking, remote wipe, the "free" features Google and Apple are known for on their phones.
Usually 'full stack' just means software. Here it means a true Linux phone (Sailfish OS) plus Android compatibility with sandboxing. The C2 model is made in Turkey from Asian parts. The new phone is manufactured in Asia, but the final assembly, QA, and software flashing are done in Finland.<p>This isn't for people with a consumer mindset. It’s for people who want a Linux computer in their pocket, more privacy, and still want to run some Android apps.
There are phones that can run "true Linux" out there, and there even are ports of Sailfish OS for some of them, but Jolla phones were never part of those and rely on Android drivers instead.
Seems that Jolla C2 can run "close-to" mainline kernel: <a href="https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/mainline-linux-kernel-for-the-jolla-c2/21382" rel="nofollow">https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/mainline-linux-kernel-for-the...</a>
Pinephone/pro<p>What else use main line kernel without blob ?
But even the full software stack isn't European as it runs on a Mediatek platform (ie. all the cellular stack and platform software is from Mediatek, which is from Taiwan). It's the <i>apps software stack</i> on top of the Linux kernel that is potentially "European".<p>There are no longer any cellular chipset vendors based in Europe, afaik, so there's really no alternative. It's also hard to see how they will ever again be one.
The previous Jolla C2 phone was built by Reeder in Turkey - they don't seem to say anything about the new phone
<a href="https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-c2-out-of-stock/27573/5" rel="nofollow">https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-c2-out-of-stock/27573/5</a><p>Let us clarify here as it is very different indeed.<p>The Jolla C2 Community Phone is done in collaboration with Reeder, who is the HW vendor. This means Reeder sources the components, plans the production and does the manufacturing in Turkey. Jolla provides the complete software stack (Sailfish OS) which is installed by Reeder in the manufacturing.<p>In the new Jolla Phone everything is different. Jolla is the vendor, has designed the product itself, done the component sourcing and pays directly to the component vendors. We control the pipeline. Further, we have secured our position for the initial memory batch with advance purchase.<p>Also, to be clear: Reeder has no involvement in the new Jolla Phone.<p>Thank you for asking, very good points to clarify!
When I first read the headline I thought all hardware components are European as well. Seems like it's referring to the software stack only.
Apparently "full-stack alternative" means "layered on top of Android" these days, as Jolla does with libhybris.
> User configurable physical Privacy Switch - turn off your microphone, bluetooth, Android apps, or whatever you wish<p>The "whatever you wish" seems to indicate that this is a regular switch that can be configured to turn off certain functionality. Is that true?<p>I was hoping for a solution that physically disconnects the microphone/cameras/etc, or at least acts at some lower level than the OS. But if it's flexible and configurable then it sadly doesn't look as secure.
The most important question missing from the FAQ is whether bank apps, government ID apps, etc. will work with this phone.
<i>Everything</i> hinges on app support.<p>Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities. Most companies offer them only for iOS and Android.<p>If your smartphone can't run the vast majority of apps, it is basically dead on arrival. Nobody is going to buy it when they need to carry <i>another</i> phone anyways.<p>The only way around this is either emulation (which Google is trying very hard to sabotage) or heavy-handed regulation forcing app developers to also support niche platforms. I don't think either option is likely to work.
Although I haven't held one in my hands, apparently there's Flutter support for Harmony OS. There are quite a lot of mobile apps implemented in Flutter and Dart, and platform support for alternative phone OSs looks doable.
They don’t need to specifically support “niche platforms,” which will never happen anyway. They just need to support the one, universal platform every device (be it phone, laptop or desktop) can always access, the web.
And they don't want to, because that experiment ran for around 20 years and resoundingly failed. Turns out it's really hard to stop the bottom quintile of users from entering all their credentials into just about any website that looks similar to what they are used to - and then their identity/money is just gone.<p>Stopping those users without a trusted authority deciding which electron-wrapped websites are genuine is an unsolved problem, I think.
<i>> Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities.</i><p>I've never owned a smartphone in my life and are not planning on getting one, and I'm going through life just fine.
>heavy-handed regulation forcing app developers to also support niche platforms.<p>should work for banking and governmental applications, especially as those should already have the workflow in place to support niche platforms.
There is a Wiki maintained by users. In short, it depends :)<p><a href="https://sailfishos.wiki/books/compatibility-list-of-android-apps/page/banking-apps" rel="nofollow">https://sailfishos.wiki/books/compatibility-list-of-android-...</a>
Reduce it to the size of iPhone 5 and make the main camera flush with the surface, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.
I don't understand how the physical privacy switch can also be user configurable. Wouldn't configurability mean it's a software privacy switch?
As far as I'm concerned, that's the only phone related announcement that matters this week. That and <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47214645">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47214645</a>
Hmm, die deutsche Version der Seite ist nicht anderes - vielleicht ein Bug?
Great initiative but too big. Give me a 3.5" phone, under 100g with 2 weeks battery life, and we're in business!<p>Oh the joy, of being able to back it up with restic, integrate my email, text and script based workflows, and have total control of the ports and software that runs on the device. That would be amazing!
I invested in this. I am quite sick of the attitudes of some of the big american phone players.<p>This is coming from someone who has for the longest time been invested in Apple and the Apple Ecosystem. I adored the ease of integration of everything. The amazing synergy between their designers, and their engineers. I never really minded that things came later to the Apple Ecosystem. It just worked. And it was great.<p>But the golden statue, the absolute pathetic DMA attitude from Apple. It started to get to me. And I am trying to now get out of that Apple Ecosystem.<p>I don't think it'll be smooth. I think the process will be painful as I try to work around some of the limitations. No NFC payments will be my biggest painpoint as an ADHD addled man who forgets his wallet at least 3x a week. But it's worth trying. And it's worth supporting alternatives.
another adhd guy here.
I haven't tried it, so i can't vouch for it to any degree of certainty, but maybe it's an option to have your main payment card in a sleeve inside your phone case?
Even if it works, it's only a drop in the bucket, but maybe that's enough if you consider the lack of NFC payment a major issue.
thank you for pushing for an alternative to android and apple
Tons of non-Apple phones support NFC payments, unless you're specifically referring to Jolla.
I noticed that the orders hasn't bumped up that much since this was shared last time. Not really sure I see the growth here is showing a lot of demand for a European smartphone - although I could totally be wrong given the geopolitical situation.
We need this, an alternative to Apple and Google.<p>I guess this is a descendent of my 16 year old Nokia N900, and probably the best phone I had. It ran the Maemo operating system, and its UI was a forerunner to a lot of what is current. It also had a built in, full, terminal.
That definitely seems to be the better alternative amongst all others. While I appreciate all the energy put into graphene or lineage it appears to me like way too much energy for Half baked solutions. Depending on google good will in the future too. I can understand them as hack, not that much as industrial proposals.
I want to believe! I remember the Palm Pre and webOS, maybe <i>this</i> is the next big thing.
Anyone use the Jolla C2? Seems pretty interesting (not fully European though)
What's the sandboxing & app permissions story like on Sailfish OS? Is it just ordinary Linux, i.e. apps can basically do anything?
Well done, congratulations. My next phone will certainly be European to the root. Will be nice to come preinstalled with some free European (apps, socials and video hosting, like Vivaldi browser, HugstonOne local AI, Protonmail, Libreoffice, w-social, vimeo, mastodon, lemmy etc.
No headphone jack?
Will it have USB C with DisplayPort alt mode?
No final word as of yet, but in their most recent forum update [1] less than 2 weeks ago they said this is "unlikely for now".<p>[1] <a href="https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-phone-update-lights-on-technical-bits-and-the-schedule/27821" rel="nofollow">https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-phone-update-lights-on-...</a>
I think they're working on it, but it isn't sure yet.
Jolla has announced a new phone using its Sailfish OS so providing a full-stack European alternative to the Android/Apple duopoly.
Yeah but the core issue is that all apps for digital services for both private and government, at least in my EU country, are only shipped for the iOS/Android duopoly.<p>So having yet another 100th FOSS linux phone that won't run those apps is pointless until apps for these phones are shipped with feature parity, and they probably won't get shipped until these phones reach some critical mass adoption, and they won't get critical mass adoption because they don't run the popular apps.
Check out this thread on Sailfish OS forums regarding EU Banking apps. I was surprised on how many actually work.<p><a href="https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/banking-apps-on-sailfish-os/18438" rel="nofollow">https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/banking-apps-on-sailfish-os/1...</a>
If this is similar to LineageOS, then it's always potentially only a matter of time until some banking and payment apps stop working due to failing security attestation pushed by a Google update.<p>We need native apps that pass attestation out of the box for that phone/OS, not relying on hacks that may or may not work in the future.<p>This is not good UX and it poisons the well if you push users to a new platform then they discover some apps don't work as you promised.
Jolla phones can run Android apps.
I bought the pre-order thing, but not sure what to expect - I guess to get an email at some point so I can buy it..
The OS is proprietary.
Large parts of the OS are open source though. Not just the Linux kernel and userland, but also some specific things:<p>Sailfish: <a href="https://github.com/sailfishos" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/sailfishos</a>
Android layer: <a href="https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris</a>
... and yet it's a tonne more developer friendly than Android is becoming.
What's the difference between this and the Fairphone?
This looks really cool. Orange, black and white being inspired by scandinavian design felt like a bit of a reach though.
News release:<p><i>The world premiere of the European Phone</i><p><a href="https://jolla.com/content/uploads/2026/03/Jolla_Phone_PressRelease_MWC2026.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://jolla.com/content/uploads/2026/03/Jolla_Phone_PressR...</a>
I heard and read negative things about them, do they actually ship?
I hate the camera bump trend. I don’t need a super fancy camera, just give me something half decent and flush with the device.<p>The original iPhone SE was the last time I enjoyed a phone’s design.
That's fair, but in my experience for many people the camera and/or battery are the main reasons to upgrade to a new phone (Also the reason why the presentations focus on the camera for a big chunk of time usually I'd guess) so if they want to compete with that it makes sense to have a decent camera.
It is enabled by smartphone reviewers excluding it from thickness measurements. I bet camera bumps would be a <i>lot</i> less prominent if they were clearly represented.
You might like the Pixel 10a/9a, they have an almost flush back. For this thread, not european but instead GrapheneOS capable.
I mean 600+ euros is kind of a steep price, doubt I'll ever consider buying one because of that alone.<p>Also, as an italian, Jolla reminds me a lot of the word "Ciolla", which you can only guess what it's a slang for. That doesn't help.
Low quantity electronics like this have that problem. 600€ makes sense. The fact that you can buy a phone for much less than that, or a car for 15,000€ is a testament to what is possible at scale... When I saw single thousands quantities mentioned on the linked page I went "oh no..."
Italians were also the reason Moana was renamed Vaiana in Europe :D
true, spaniards are confused too
This project has been going for years. Good to see it lives on.<p>IMO there's a paradox with these privacy-focused mobile solutions. Just as with the expensive flagship corporate devices, the massive price tags suggest an assumption that we are doing all our computing on mobile. That's now the case for most normies. But for anyone who <i>really</i> cares about their privacy (not to mention sanity), there's a better solution available: repatriate most of one's computing to a laptop. At which point all these mobile devices become unjustifiably expensive. Hence the paradox.<p><i>PS: downvoting a reasoned opinion, apart from being lazy and toxic in any community, does not constitute a rebuttal.</i>
This looks interesting. <a href="https://e.foundation/e-os/" rel="nofollow">https://e.foundation/e-os/</a>
huge notch and huge bottom bezel with mediocre Mediatek Dimensity 7100, all this for 650EUR with specs worse than 200EUR phones, that's like 450EUR for software, a bit high surcharge...
It's always surprising to see this type of comments on HN. Jolla is not Apple, they barely scrunged 10K orders for this phone, they can't afford the economy of scale that other mainstream vendors can.
The notch is a bit silly, given that you have the bezel at the bottom, but I guess it could be ergonomics.<p>I believe the phone is designed around feedback for customers/potential customers. Which tells me that other people have very different phone usage from my own. I would have asked for a much smaller phone and a €200 price tag. The processor and even a shitty camera doesn't really bother me. I just want a cheap phone that can run like five apps (sadly one is the type that won't work, i.e. payments), and not run Android or iOS.
There is a huge supply chain surplus of notch displays as nobody wants them so I guess they decided that "real open source" folks don't care about design and bought them for pennies.
Buy a Xperia XA2 on Ebay for 180€ + 25€ for SFOS license.
> I just want a cheap phone that can run like five apps (sadly one is the type that won't work, i.e. payments), and not run Android or iOS.<p><a href="https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io" rel="nofollow">https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io</a><p><a href="https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices#Community" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices#Community</a><p>you can certainly buy some of the supported smaller devices (e.g. Pixel 3a) and change battery for new<p>sadly basically nothing newer than 2020
It's what you get when you have no phone manufacturing supply chains anymore because you shipped them all to China 20+ years ago then lost the OS wars to Apple and Google leaving you with no local phone industry. Then it's gonna cost you through the nose when you're making, what are now to your industry, niche low volume items.<p>Remember when you could buy EU made Nokias, Siemens and Ericssons? Even the chargers were made in Finland back then.
As ex-Nokia, I can tell quite a few stories about the rampdown in Germany, of factories and R&D sites, merge with Siemens and what not.<p>For those that care, search the news for strikes or layoffs, around the time iOS/Android were taking off.
<i>>As ex-Nokia, I can tell quite a few stories about the rampdown in Germany, of factories and R&D sites, merge with Siemens and what not.</i><p>Well please go on, spill the tea, don't leave us hanging. This would be very interesting to hear.<p><i>>For those that care, search the news for strikes or layoffs, around the time iOS/Android were taking off.</i><p>Well, according to my google-fu, the factory closures from Finland and germany were relocated to Hungary and Romania, so still EU, therefore the EU could have maintained a domestic phone manufacturing sector in its lowest cost countries as well, if they had kept those fabs and not close them down as well to move everything to china.<p>Everything about this screams of corporate greed and mismanagement on Nokia's part, way before Microsoft entered the picture.
Another good reason to dislike M$
I dislike the board that brought Elop in, and promised him a bonus if he managed to sell Nokia Mobiles business unit, and they were also the ones that decided to off-shore factories and R&D into Eastern Europe and India.
What does MS have to do with this? The Nokia factory shuffling and strikes GP was mentioning happened before MS took over.<p>And people love to blame MS but Nokia was a sinking ship already by that point. MS was just a new captain added to steer the Titanic but the same fate was inevitable, as its home grown MeeGo/Maemo platform arrived too late and to too little adoption to stand a chance against the already established iOS and Android platforms who were throwing infinity money on becoming the undisputed mobile duopoly platforms, selling 10x as many devices as Nokia was selling Maemo N900s. It was already over for Nokia by that point same as it was for Blackberry. Nokia's own engineers admitted this the moment they got to play with the first iPhone at their Espoo HQ.<p>That's like blaming a drunk driver for hitting a guy that previously shot himself in the head.<p>Nothing MS could have done would have changed that fate for the better. WHat did people expect MS to have done?
Sure, but still, the driver was <i>very</i> intoxicated and ran over the guy, then put the car in reverse and ran over the guy <i>again</i>.
I think of those two, the OS wars is the much more substantial EU/US difference. It's not like Apple is making much hardware in the US, yet they wade in pools of cash.
Can you really get 200EUR phones with that good cameras?
> <i>a full-stack European alternative</i><p>It is absolutely not. More than misleading title.<p>People are jumping on this "EU sovereignty" thing band-wagon and milking it for all it's worth.
> It is absolutely not. More than misleading title.<p>Could you elaborate? Just disagreeing without explaining why doesn’t contribute to the discussion.
No, they just want to get away from Americans.
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> First, it is not European alternative - it is Finnish. _Europe_ is not a single country.<p>What are you talking about?<p>Is there a law of nature that you can only refer to origins in terms of countries.<p>A Finnish alternative is, nyt extension, a European alternative.
It all starts with open formats, open data and open apis. Unless this is somehow guaranteed by law for interaction with public entities, it's going to be hard for any FOSS projects or independent apps/developers.<p>Without that, we have a situation where almost every bank tries to shove their stupid android app in your face so they can more easily track you. They also force you to their authentication mechanisms, instead of using already working ones. There are no APIs that are usable, only if you have $$$$$. They'll just ignore you if you're a regular client and want to download your data automatically via a reasonable mechanism, etc.<p>If only banks can write apps and have closed API, they will
You're correct but even more it is a Chinese platform with a Chinese cellular stack that runs linux and <i>on top of all that the apps software is Finnish</i> (so "European").<p>It is a very misleading title, indeed.<p>Edit: Sorry you got flagged to death. You should not post blasphemous comments ;)
if it doesn't run GNOME Mobile or KDE it isn't an alternative
How so ? It's not like this is an Android Skin.<p>It's running a custom Wayland compositor and UI.<p>Still use all the Linux stack you expect (GCC, Wayland, SystemD, Pulseaudio, RPMs, Dbus ...)
This is the third phone on the HN main page. I’m happy to see this flurry of work at real competition in the market, but I hope the companies can survive and respond to CSVEs.
Other comments have links to more details, but in short: do not support this company.<p>It was to be expected that a lot of corps will want to milk the term "EU sovereignty" and good willed naive people who don't look inside the packaging.
You're probably responding because of the Jolla tablet :)<p>To be fair, the Jolla tablet was in 2015, more than 10 years ago. Most probably, many of the people working at Jolla are not the same as then. Also, if you read carefully all the announcements and communication from Jolla, you can easily see they have learned from that crowdfunding affair. This is not the same offer, not in a long mile.
That and the russian ties, the partially closed source OS, the locked bootloader, the $50 device reset fee, the cheap underpowered chinese chipset. The company was sold more than once between investment firms. Yet it presents itself like a happy independent open source collective.