37 comments

  • thomassmith651 hour ago
    The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here&#x27;s the scene in Berlin:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm</a><p>They&#x27;ve waited a very long time for this moment!
    • kubb1 hour ago
      I have no doubt that they didn&#x27;t like that the regime, which is why they left.<p>But this assassination is no guarantee of change for the better. Far from it.
      • pinkmuffinere1 hour ago
        It’s no guarantee, but it is a good opportunity. I’m half-Persian, and certainly not as closely connected as others, but it’s hard to see this as a bad thing. There’s a possibility I can go visit my family in Iran as a result of this. I haven’t had a good chance for that in like 4 years
        • orthogonal_cube1 hour ago
          Removal of the head of state is often a turning point. Either a regime becomes more extreme or the government collapses due to in-fighting as individuals attempt to gain control.<p>I would hold back on any hopes until we see how the current government handles things. Intervention from other countries does not always lead to positive outcomes.
          • tim33334 minutes ago
            Trump seems to have thought it through a bit. Recent post:<p>&gt;...This is the single greatest chance for the Iranian people to take back their Country. We are hearing that many of their IRGC, Military, and other Security and Police Forces, no longer want to fight, and are looking for Immunity from us. As I said last night, “Now they can have Immunity, later they only get Death!” Hopefully, the IRGC and Police will peacefully merge with the Iranian Patriots, and work together as a unit to bring back the Country to the Greatness it deserves...<p>The merge peacefully or die thing may motivate them.
            • Rapzid4 minutes ago
              Certainly people within the Trump administration have thought a lot about this.
        • kubb1 hour ago
          I would defer the celebration until you can.
        • acjohnson5553 minutes ago
          I hope that it works out for you and your family.
        • empath751 hour ago
          The most likely situation is continuity. They just pick a new supreme leader. The second most likely situation is a civil war.
          • reliabilityguy53 minutes ago
            There is also a possibility of a Venezuela-style cooperation.
            • readthenotes142 minutes ago
              Adding Iranian oil back to the market will lower prices everywhere, including Russia. I&#x27;m not so sure the extra-heavy Venezuelan oil will be affected as much.<p>Anyone know?
              • alephnerd25 minutes ago
                India used to use Venezuelan crude before the 2019 sanctions [0][1]<p>India only shifted to using Russian oil in 2022 [2] after Venezuelan [3] and Iranian [4] oil sanctions were enacted, which was <i>when</i> both began increasing engagement with China.<p>It&#x27;s a similar story for South Korea [5] and Japan [6].<p>This helps reduce prices for ONG, as India is shifting back to Venezuelan crude which gives slack which South Korea and Japan can take advantage of, as India, Japan, and South Korea represent 3 of the 5 largest oil consumers globally.<p>[0] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thehindu.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;Industry&#x2F;ongc-awaits-instructions-about-restarting-operation-in-venezuela-sees-positive-movement&#x2F;article70627753.ece" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thehindu.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;Industry&#x2F;ongc-awaits-instr...</a><p>[1] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thehindu.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;Industry&#x2F;reliance-venezuelan-oil-imports-us-license&#x2F;article70628080.ece&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thehindu.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;Industry&#x2F;reliance-venezuel...</a><p>[2] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;business-65553920" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;business-65553920</a><p>[3] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wilsoncenter.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;india-and-venezuela-grow-distant-post-us-sanctions" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wilsoncenter.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;india-and-venezuela-gro...</a><p>[4] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.brookings.edu&#x2F;articles&#x2F;trump-tightens-sanctions-on-irans-oil-exports-how-india-will-respond&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.brookings.edu&#x2F;articles&#x2F;trump-tightens-sanctions-...</a><p>[5] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eastasiaforum.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;09&#x2F;13&#x2F;south-korean-oil-refineries-hit-hard-by-iran-sanctions&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eastasiaforum.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;09&#x2F;13&#x2F;south-korean-oil-refine...</a><p>[6] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mei.edu&#x2F;ar&#x2F;publication&#x2F;japan-and-middle-east-navigating-us-priorities-and-energy-security&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mei.edu&#x2F;ar&#x2F;publication&#x2F;japan-and-middle-east-navigat...</a>
        • stefantalpalaru55 minutes ago
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      • faramarz1 hour ago
        It&#x27;s less a revolution and more a matter of catching the tide of shifting world powers — and seizing a rare shot at building something other than the last failed experiment. New Iran, new experiment. You bet Iranians are euphoric right now. Some of the country&#x27;s brightest intellectuals and political minds are sitting in Evin prison, and if all goes well, they&#x27;re about to walk out and help shape what comes next. My dad is worried about the power vacuum, and he&#x27;s right to be. His biggest concern is the border states and the narrative that ISIS is being funneled into the country to destroy any chance of organized transition. I desperately hope he&#x27;s wrong. And I don&#x27;t think he&#x27;ll ever fully heal — few who lived through the first revolution will.
      • thomassmith651 hour ago
        They&#x27;re not brain-damaged. They know that!
      • oytis1 hour ago
        It&#x27;s not a given - e.g. AFAIK most turks in Germany support Erdogan
      • regnull59 minutes ago
        It’s a good start
    • tejohnso1 hour ago
      There would likely be millions of Americans celebrating the murder of their current president, should that happen. It doesn&#x27;t mean it&#x27;s reasonable, right, just, or civilized, nor would it indicate that it was a unanimously supported action.
      • TulliusCicero1 hour ago
        But in the case of an actual dictator who murdered thousands of protestors it is reasonable, right, just, and civilized.<p>Shed no tears for the deaths of tyrants. They would happily see you and any other threat to their illegitimate power put six feet under.
        • LastTrain1 hour ago
          Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far. As he has told us countless times, he would like to be a dictator.
          • TulliusCicero14 minutes ago
            Yes, and if he actually becomes a dictator, I&#x27;d shed no tears for him being removed by force.
          • drjasonharrison53 minutes ago
            and murdered a bunch of Venezuelans, a bunch of non-citizens in the USA, collected from American companies and residents billions in tariffs... How about those Epstein files?
          • TulliusCicero1 hour ago
            Trump would very much like to be, no denying that, but he isn&#x27;t there yet.<p>Regardless, dictators deserve to be put into the ground no matter where they are.
            • bjourne59 minutes ago
              No. The death penalty is inhumane and not worthy of modern civilization. Please think before splurging out flowery warmongering sound bites!
              • TulliusCicero16 minutes ago
                In cases where it&#x27;s feasible to do life in prison, I&#x27;m fine with that too. But for dictators, that&#x27;s typically not realistic (Maduro notwithstanding). Better to kill them rather than let them continue killing others.<p>I actually oppose the death penalty as a punishment for crimes, but for practical rather than principled reasons: I don&#x27;t want innocent people (and there&#x27;s always a chance of innocence) to be killed, and it&#x27;s more expensive than life in prison anyway.
                • thomassmith651 minute ago
                  Part of the reason I, like you, make an exception for world leaders is that it can be cathartic for the people who suffered under them. Of course, it depends on the circumstances. I&#x27;m not talking about giving Jimmy Carter the chair for failing to bring down inflation.
              • thomassmith6520 minutes ago
                My personal view is that most dictators deserve to be stuffed into a suitcase, loaded into a canon, and fired into the side of a climbing wall. I guess that makes me immoral.<p>That said, for anything aside from a despotic world leader, I&#x27;m also against the death penalty.
            • leptons58 minutes ago
              He sure does act like a dictator, ruling by executive order. He sent the US military to operate on US soil, by executive order... so yes, he is very much a dictator right now.
          • IshKebab1 hour ago
            There&#x27;s quite a difference between saying you would like to be a dictator and actually being one.
            • pixl971 hour ago
              When you&#x27;re in a position of power and doing dictator like things, not very much.
        • ignoramous55 minutes ago
          You did the &quot;our blessed homeland&quot; meme: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xcancel.com&#x2F;tomgauld&#x2F;status&#x2F;571994690289061888" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xcancel.com&#x2F;tomgauld&#x2F;status&#x2F;571994690289061888</a> &#x2F; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.vn&#x2F;gAkNA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.vn&#x2F;gAkNA</a>
          • TulliusCicero17 minutes ago
            If Trump became an actual tyrant instead of a wannabe one, I&#x27;d shed no tears for him being &quot;removed&quot; either.
      • avoutos54 minutes ago
        Well, there are other things you can look at. For one, Khamenei was dictator of a regime that abducts women and recently murdered 10s of thousands of protesters in the streets. I&#x27;d reckon most, including Iranians, would not judge the killing of such an individual immoral, unjust or uncivilized.
      • throwawayheui5756 minutes ago
        They threw the justice and civility when they murdered people on the street. That ship has sailed and the party who&#x27;s responsible for this escalation is the government.
      • bambax1 hour ago
        Not just Americans.
      • worldsavior1 hour ago
        There aren&#x27;t millions. Maybe thousands which are completely insane considering Trump didn&#x27;t kill any US citizen, unlike Haminayi killing 50k of his own people.
        • ashivkum1 hour ago
          Your worldview is not an appropriate substitute for objective reality :)
      • cameldrv58 minutes ago
        Perhaps, but there would be tens&#x2F;hundreds of millions of people like me who didn&#x27;t vote for Trump and don&#x27;t like him, but would be absolutely enraged beyond perhaps anything in this country&#x27;s history if another country blew up the White House and he was killed.
      • thisislife21 hour ago
        Exactly. This is just western media trying to project some morality to what was an internationally illegal act ... (and perhaps some in the media hoping against hope this publicity would please the dear, glorious leaders of Israel and the US to end the war).
        • UltraSane1 hour ago
          International Law doesn&#x27;t really exist.
          • khazhoux55 minutes ago
            <p><pre><code> This planet uses international law. [Accept all international laws] [Accept only necessary international laws] [Customize settings]</code></pre>
        • flyinglizard1 hour ago
          International law being thrown around a lot. Seems like everyone is an int’l law expert, even though it’s quite an exotic speciality.<p>So please go ahead and tell me, where does International Law prohibit a state that’s at war with another to assassinate its head of state?
          • sssilver1 hour ago
            Preventive war (attacking to neutralize a future, non-imminent threat) is considered illegal under modern international law. The UN Charter restricts the use of force to UN Security Council authorization or self-defense against an actual, imminent armed attack, making preventive actions, which target potential future dangers, unlawful.
            • flyinglizard58 minutes ago
              Israel and Iran are involved in active hostilities for a long time now, direct or by proxies. Furthermore, US and Israel are making the case for a preemptive war with the advent of the Iranian nuclear program (whether you believe it or not, that’s beside the point), and those are legal.
    • avazhi46 minutes ago
      Aside from a few members of the IRGC, everybody who has been paying attention for the past 40 years is celebrating.<p>Taking out both Maduro and Khomeini over the course of a few months without a single American or Israeli casualty is peak.
      • pjc5035 minutes ago
        There were allegedly 7 US personnel injured during the Maduro raid.<p>Decapitation airstrikes have been possible for decades. I suppose now we find out whether that was a good idea or not. Slightly surprised the Iran strike worked, if you remember the hunts for Saddam and Bin Laden.
        • alephnerd34 minutes ago
          25 years ago we didn&#x27;t have Project Maven, and our leadership in the early 2000s were committed to boots-on-the-ground nation-building due to the afterglow of the NATO intervention in Yugoslavia.
      • alephnerd40 minutes ago
        &gt; Aside from a few members of the IRGC...<p>And a portion of HN.
    • acjohnson5554 minutes ago
      If I were in their shoes, I would be celebrating, too. But this is complicated. If they and their loved ones are already outside the country, they are not directly imperiled by the power vacuum. So the upside is maybe their homeland becomes hospitable again, but the downside is basically that it remains inhospitable.<p>I&#x27;m not saying that the diaspora doesn&#x27;t care about the risks or have empathy for those that remain in Iran. I&#x27;m sure there are also many people who are deeply concerned. Just that being an emigre changes things.
    • Rapzid9 minutes ago
      Hopefully from this the conditions will materialize where they could, if so inclined, help build Iran up in the future..
    • tim33339 minutes ago
      People celebrating inside Iran too <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;visegrad24&#x2F;status&#x2F;2027840034150178952" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;visegrad24&#x2F;status&#x2F;2027840034150178952</a>
      • thomassmith6513 minutes ago
        That&#x27;s very moving! I can&#x27;t say many international developments have filled me with optimism the past couple years. I want so badly for this to pan out for Iranians.
    • baxtr1 hour ago
      Not only outside the country, but also inside the country! Many many videos on social media showing how they celebrate.
    • throwawayheui571 hour ago
      Oh you should see the videos coming out of Iran from people celebrating.<p>I also just saw state tv threatening people once more. They&#x27;re so scared.
    • nicbou1 hour ago
      I can hear them from my window. They&#x27;re really happy. Lots of honking, revving engines and shouting near Zoo.
    • aucisson_masque48 minutes ago
      Expatriates behaviors are often misleading and don&#x27;t represent the general feeling inside the country.<p>I&#x27;m not saying that Iranian loved Khamenei, but maybe they are not that happy that he is dead because of other reasons. Instability for instance.
    • paxys1 hour ago
      Easy to celebrate from a few thousand miles away.<p>I&#x27;m not saying the Ayatollah wasn&#x27;t a vile criminal, but it&#x27;s always innocents on the ground who face the brunt of war.<p>I hope the citizens of Iran can have a peaceful transition and chart a better path for their country, but every single one of America&#x27;s previous forced regime changes in the region (and across the world) has shown otherwise.
    • paganel1 hour ago
      What moment would that be? Begging for the Americans to bomb their former country?
      • thomassmith651 hour ago
        Yes.<p>10 million Iranians live outside Iran. They want a normal country again.<p>Later today, I&#x27;m sure footage from LA, Toronto, London, Stockholm will be up.
        • breakyerself1 hour ago
          They&#x27;re not going to have a normal country. The United States under Trump isn&#x27;t interested in a democratic Iran. They want a dictator they can control.
          • SXX1 hour ago
            Not disagreeing with you, but US-controlled dictators have better track record of not killing thousands of protesters or just random people in own populations.<p>Not perfect option, but still is an improvement even from your positiom.
          • pinkmuffinere1 hour ago
            I think you’re right that it would be a puppet state under trump. But in three years it will be a puppet state under somebody else! And maybe that somebody would relinquish the strings.
      • Almondsetat1 hour ago
        At some point you have to decide: if my country is held back by a brutal dictatorial regime where civilians can&#x27;t hope to topple it, is there anything else to do other than get external help?
        • 4ndrewl1 hour ago
          Maybe speak to some Libyans. Or Iraqis. Or Syrians?
          • reliabilityguy45 minutes ago
            Libya is not a real country in a historical sense. It’s a bunch of tribes, Kadaffi was from one of the tribes that subjugated others. In Iraq it was a Sunni minority that rules over Shiite majority, and other minorities like the Kurds. In Syria one minority (alawiites) rules over others by force.<p>Also, these countries were not formed by themselves, but rather through deals with France and&#x2F;or Britain.<p>Iran, while also diverse, has a thousands of years long history. Persians still see themselves as continuation of Persian peoples from the empire times, etc.<p>So, it is not very correct to compare it one to one.
          • Almondsetat56 minutes ago
            Is this a way to avoid thinking about the conundrum?
            • 4ndrewl43 minutes ago
              &quot;The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results&quot;
          • UltraSane1 hour ago
            Short term pain for long term gain.
            • bambax58 minutes ago
              Short term pain for long term more pain.
        • aaa_aaa1 hour ago
          This was never about Iranian people. This is all about war mongers, puppets and idiots who believe them.
          • blowsand1 hour ago
            Defend your thesis.
          • smt881 hour ago
            Those may be the motivations, but the outcome (so far) is still something Iranians are optimistic about
          • 9823079320841 hour ago
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        • breakyerself1 hour ago
          Trump isn&#x27;t there to help. He wants the oil and he wants a puppet dictator. He doesn&#x27;t care about the people.
        • jachee1 hour ago
          As an American, I’m <i>really</i> starting to feel that way.
          • eclipseo761 hour ago
            Really... In a thread about Iran... This is not comparable at all and so insulting for what they have endured since 1979.
          • quitspamming1 hour ago
            Except midterm elections are literally this year. But other than that small detail, sure.
        • bjourne56 minutes ago
          Oh, please. If you think the majority of all Iranians are in favor of US-Israeli bombings of their home country, you&#x27;re seriously smoking some potent propaganda.
          • khazhoux50 minutes ago
            Every Iranian friend of mine is celebrating this. They desperately wanted him gone.<p>Are you suggesting Iranians should have protested harder, maybe tried more to &quot;bring change from within&quot;?
            • bjourne11 minutes ago
              I have ten times as many Iranian friends as you have. They are all against the bombings.
        • vasco1 hour ago
          Which Arab countries are better after US intervention? The last place that had a dictator is now ruled by ISIS.
          • oytis1 hour ago
            Iran is not an Arab country? Answering a more general question - all countries of former Yugoslavia are better after US intervention. Some Serbs would not agree, but it&#x27;s on them
            • vasco1 hour ago
              In Iran the outcome is yet to be seen, but we have nearby Arab countries where we don&#x27;t have to guess what happens. Great deflection.
              • oytis57 minutes ago
                It&#x27;s not a deflection, it&#x27;s an example of an intervention having a positive effect. I see no reason for Iran following Arabic rather than Balkan scenario - it&#x27;s a totally different culture - much more modernised and much more secular
              • baxtr55 minutes ago
                You want your story to be true so badly you ignore counter examples?<p>You should consider conformation bias.
              • reliabilityguy40 minutes ago
                What Arab countries?<p>How can you compare Arab countries to Iran?
    • mibibyesthedust1 hour ago
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    • aaa_aaa1 hour ago
      Are they cheering killing of dozens of school children as well?
      • thomassmith651 hour ago
        No, obviously.<p>Actually, they will probably assume the IRGC killed them to blame the West. I don&#x27;t believe that, but the Iranians can&#x27;t stand the regime.
        • aaa_aaa1 hour ago
          When numbers hit tens of thousands maybe they will.
      • pinkmuffinere1 hour ago
        Nobody is happy about killing civilians. But Khamenei did more than that every day he was alive. Personally I feel there is some amount of immediate civilian casualty that is worth putting a stop to continuous suffering.
        • heavyset_go57 minutes ago
          It&#x27;s easy to excuse the collateral damage of people you will never meet, just remember that this reasoning has unleashed hell on Earth for countless innocent people, many kids, and it makes you sound like a ghoul.<p>Hope to hell that you or anyone you care about isn&#x27;t on the receiving end of such sentiments.
          • throwaway306038 minutes ago
            I remember that the alternative has also unleashed hell on Earth for countless innocent people.<p>At some point, you have to take the path that offers at least some hope for the future. To turn into something that has lost all hope - there is no fixing that.
            • heavyset_go12 minutes ago
              How does blowing up schools offer hope for the future?
          • khazhoux47 minutes ago
            It&#x27;s not &quot;easy&quot; but it remains true. We can play the moral-decision game and I&#x27;ll ask you whether killing one child is justified to save 5,000,000. If you answer &quot;yes&quot; then from that point it&#x27;s just about agreeing on numbers.
            • heavyset_go11 minutes ago
              How many schools need to be blown up with children inside for you to say &quot;Hey, maybe this didn&#x27;t have to happen this way&quot;
              • pinkmuffinere3 minutes ago
                What is the alternative you propose? Just to give a hypothetical-but-realistic example, let’s presume that khamenei’s continued existence results in 100 civilian deaths per day. Under that assumption, what one-time cost would you accept to end his life?
      • idiotsecant1 hour ago
        Sometimes when you&#x27;re making a media distraction campaign you gotta burn a few dozen children alive. I&#x27;m sure they would understand once they understand that this will buy <i>two entire weeks</i> of eyeballs!<p>Surely there could never be any unintended consequences from this! If history of conflict in the middle east has taught us anything it&#x27;s that the power vacuum this bought will be filled with something much better and more enlightened.
    • xannabxlle1 hour ago
      Thanks for the link to US State Department propoganda. Are you part of Unit 8200?
      • Taek1 hour ago
        Account is 17 days old.<p>We have probably entered an era of the Internet where new account signups need some sort of validation. An invite from a user with &gt;500 karma? $10? Strong KYC? Or perhaps one of multiple such methods to be more inclusive?<p>We all know there&#x27;s propaganda accounts on this site (and all over the internet). Is this one of them? I have no idea! But the fact that I have no idea makes it harder to enjoy HN and be confident in the things I am reading.<p>The time for changing user signup flows is probably nearby.
        • flir59 minutes ago
          Would create a market for aged accounts (or give a shot in the arm to the existing market). I think the problem is reach - if a site has reach, it&#x27;s going to attract gamification. The more trustworthy the site is considered (for example, by having a many-hoops sign-up process), the bigger a target for gamification it will be.<p>(And this is why we can&#x27;t have nice thighs.)
        • xannabxlle32 minutes ago
          Very clever deflection: &quot;I&#x27;m not a propganda account... you&#x27;re a propoganda account!&quot; Definitely not malding.
        • js4ever55 minutes ago
          Agreed, it&#x27;s a propaganda bot. But with Khamenei dead and Iran terrorist gov down we might have less of those paid actors here and everywhere on internet because their source of income will be gone
          • xannabxlle30 minutes ago
            &quot;Iran terrorist gov&quot; so unserious. Yesterday&#x27;s terrorist is today&#x27;s US appointed leader. See: Syria. From US bounty to US approved. You can just as easily see Israel as the terrorist government attacking Iran unprovoked. They have been claiming Iran has been 2 weeks away from a nuke for decades.
        • Bender26 minutes ago
          I&#x27;m not picking a side, just saying people often create throw-away accounts for political discussions. But yeah an account can be anything. One never knows the underlying agenda people truly have.<p>My evil agenda is to encourage people to watch every season of Futurama.
  • 1a527dd51 hour ago
    I wonder how old the rest of the commentators are. I watched the Shock and Awe campaign. I watched Saddam fall. I remember thinking this is great.<p>Years later, I understand it was a complete folly. Removing Saddam in itself was good but what it did the wider region was not good.
    • paxys1 hour ago
      Every new generation in America learns this same lesson the hard way.<p>You and your children will be paying the bill for this war for the rest of your life.<p>Oil and defense companies will get richer.<p>Nothing will change in the middle east.
    • avaika29 minutes ago
      &gt; Removing Saddam in itself was good but what it did the wider region was not good.<p>I believe this is the legacy of leaders like Saddam. They build a very messy future for their countries. Whenever such a leader is gone, somebody has to take over power. Dictators tend to concentrate as much power in their hands as possible. Forced removal of such a leader might accelerate and &#x2F; or destabilize power transition. Which might end up in a very messy scenario.<p>Absolute power transition worked well with monarchy in the past, cause everybody knew who would be the next guy, there were rules and procedures. With dictatorship often times there are no rules. So power transition might turn into a complete chaos even with a natural death of a dictator.
    • Bender24 minutes ago
      Taking out Saddam allowed the Taliban to get right back to the raping of the Opium farmers wives and children. Not saying I approved of Saddam but I did enjoy the way he had originally curtailed the risk to his Opium revenue.
    • wfdsf236 minutes ago
      One thing I notice on here is very few people understand counter intuitive stuff.<p>As you said.. plenty of evidence where on the surface it seems good. But in reality it turns out to make the people in the region worse off.
    • csmpltn1 hour ago
      You seriously don’t think Iraq is in a better place today than it has ever been? You miss Saddam?
      • dfadsadsf55 minutes ago
        Iraq right now is in roughly the same position as it was when Saddam Hussein was there but in the meantime a few million people died and the country went through a pretty traumatic period.
        • csmpltn38 minutes ago
          Plenty of people died under Saddam, too. Do you think the average Iraqi would choose to go back and live under Saddam?
      • aucisson_masque46 minutes ago
        You seem to forget that Irak instability was a big part of the reason why we got to deal with ISIS in the first place.<p>I say that ISIS was worst than Saddam.
        • csmpltn35 minutes ago
          ISIS also broke out of countries like Syria, which nobody messed with until after their civil war and the ISIS takeover. Which is to say that the problem isn’t the Iraq war - but Islam. It’s literally called ISIS - and you blame the US for it?
      • acjohnson5535 minutes ago
        No one misses Saddam.<p>Parts of Iraq are much better off, like Kurdistan. Other parts were utterly devastated by our operations, insurgency, sectarian violence, ISIS, and so on. Some people had religious freedom and now live in areas under theocratic control.
    • heavyset_go1 hour ago
      This will be the start of something that never ends
    • khazhoux44 minutes ago
      At least one difference is that there&#x27;s no place in the modern world for theocracies, especially when the leaders are backwards shit-bags.
    • TulliusCicero1 hour ago
      Yes, whether these strikes are a good idea in general depends on whether they make life better for the regular people of Iran imo.<p>That said, fuck Khamenei.
  • heavyset_go1 hour ago
    Thank god we&#x27;re kicking 5 million people off of their health insurance in 2027, otherwise we would not be able to afford all of these bombs.
    • culi57 minutes ago
      There was a clip of one of Iran&#x27;s missiles dodging 3 Patriot interceptors to hit the US base in Bahrain. I realized I just watched $12m wasted for nothing in less than 5 seconds.
      • aucisson_masque44 minutes ago
        That&#x27;s your money that&#x27;s being Squandered yet you have no say in the decision to wage this war, nor your representative.
  • g8oz1 hour ago
    America and Israel are lawless countries. Can you imagine other countries assassinating a foreign head of state and not getting immediate blowback?
    • SkyeCA1 hour ago
      &gt; America and Israel are lawless countries.<p>The truth of the world, as much as we may hate it, is that at least at the state level might makes right.
    • TulliusCicero1 hour ago
      There&#x27;s no such thing as a legitimate dictator, and every one of them belongs six feet under.
    • davidguetta45 minutes ago
      International law is below its ability to bé enforced
    • bamboozled1 hour ago
      My thinking is that, it&#x27;s good when it works in your favor, but one day it night not, and if it doesn&#x27;t well what recourse is available then?
    • powerpcmac1 hour ago
      Fine, you got me. We will expedite another billion in aid to Israel to make up for it.
    • cucumber37328421 hour ago
      You can&#x27;t see the french or Russians doing the same thing in Africa? Because I sure can. There&#x27;s be some hand wringing and posturing but that&#x27;s about it.<p>Not that it&#x27;s ok for the US, or anyone else to do it.
  • programmertote1 hour ago
    Either this will end in a fractured state with different factions OR another Ayatollah will be in charge. Just my guess from seeing similar stories play out in other countries though....
    • hnthrowaway03151 hour ago
      I think maybe the reformists are able to hold on now that the IRGC is being hammered. There might be more internal bloodshed but chances are that Iran might be a bit more open and more modern. Of course I have zero knowledge about how Iran politics works, so that was just a guess, not even an intelligent one.<p>BTW I don&#x27;t actually think even the reformists will &quot;accept Western ideas&quot;.
    • adamiscool81 hour ago
      Even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmara and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power!
      • indubioprorubik1 hour ago
        Maybe .. the revolutionary guard is fed up though with ineffective empire rule? Like to be rubbed in the dirt face first repeatetly as inheritor of the mighty persian empire sucks bad enough, to reconsider the way things are run? Sorry, but whatever israel &amp; the us are doing, seems to work way better than - whatever has happened the last decades in iran?
        • Drunk_Engineer1 hour ago
          For those who don&#x27;t get the joke:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=dpEF6QPSVJE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=dpEF6QPSVJE</a>
        • quitspamming1 hour ago
          Replying authoritatively to a Simpsons quote betrays you.
        • jcranmer1 hour ago
          As I understand it, the IGRC doesn&#x27;t particularly rub happily with the clerical council, and it&#x27;s not entirely clear to me who will win that the power struggle.<p>But the ultimate loser of the power struggle is clear: the Iranian populace at large, as all of the viable factions are quite committed to consolidating their power by repressing the population. The most likely situation, I think, looks a lot like Libya.
      • ReptileMan1 hour ago
        Even as we speak Israeli missiles are target at him.
      • bombcar1 hour ago
        It’s Ayatollah Rubio.
    • suoloordi52 minutes ago
      Iran is not like other countries in the region. Despite its shortcomings, it&#x27;s a cohesive society. I&#x27;m certain that there will be no fracturing and a central authority will emerge.
    • XorNot1 hour ago
      &quot;Mission Accomplished&quot;
      • mkoubaa1 hour ago
        We have such short memories don&#x27;t we
  • joshkojoras1 hour ago
    It was about time. I hope the opposition in Iran takes charge and gets into power before they find another religious leader.
    • ozgrakkurt40 minutes ago
      yess, the experience so far makes it obvious. They will be democratic and their gdp will go up by 6900% now. There won&#x27;t be devastation, people starving to death, meaningless hindsight or anything like that.
    • FilosofumRex1 hour ago
      there is no opposition in Iran, they&#x27;re mostly in DC and Tel Aviv...
      • throwawayheui5750 minutes ago
        &gt; there is no opposition in Iran<p>No you&#x27;re right people usually love to be murdered by their regimes.<p>Sure there is! Some got killed and executed but many alive in jail! We even have a Nobel laureate in jail. For God&#x27;s sake it&#x27;s just one google search away!
  • hnthrowaway03151 hour ago
    If the hard-liners IRGC generals went with him then it might be a good thing for its economy. I have heard some rumors that China was frustrated that IRGC pushed against the deals and were not willing to accept foreign investments in key oil&#x2F;infra projects because they sit on them -- and that was why China never put down any real investments after signing the deals.
    • eunos1 hour ago
      IRGC or whatever succeed next should wise themselves and stop hedging about whatever next deal with US&#x2F;EU.
      • hnthrowaway03151 hour ago
        I think the biggest problem of IRGC is that they grabbed a large share of economy but spent a lot of that in geopolitical expansion for the last 1-2 decades. This in turn contributed to a more fragile Iranian economy and high inflation, which makes them extremely unpopular among the people.
  • brap1 hour ago
    Good riddance
    • vkou1 hour ago
      You shouldn&#x27;t celebrate the killings of heads of state, that would set a bad precedent.
      • oytis1 hour ago
        How is it bad? Imagine a world where instead of sending hundreds of thousands young men to die, countries would just launch targeted attacks on the head of enemy&#x27;s state.
      • TulliusCicero1 hour ago
        If more dictators fear for their lives: good.
      • ReptileMan1 hour ago
        Quite the opposite - if they know they are risking their lives they would be more reasonable.
        • dotancohen1 hour ago
          It&#x27;s the stated reason why the United States has an impeachment process. So that they have a process for removing undesirable heads of state without resorting to assassination.
  • garbawarb1 hour ago
    To any Iranians of HN: how do you feel about the current situation, and what&#x27;s the sentiment of Iranians abroad?
    • throwawayheui5734 minutes ago
      Iranian here! Lived most of my life inside Iran. I don&#x27;t view US&#x27;s actions as a favor to common Iranians. That&#x27;s naive. No one wants war and bombing of civilians. Our misery is caused by a mix of religious extremism, theocracy and foreign intervention (in the past, Mossadegh, etc.) among other things. First and foremost I hold the regime responsible. For most of my life, I witnessed firsthand how they pushed us step by step closer to confrontation with the US, yet there&#x27;s no single bomb shelter in Tehran or any major city for people to run to after 47 years of this shit. How would you feel in this situation?<p>Their opposition to Israel is not from a humanitarian and moral standpoint, it&#x27;s purely religious. They have no shame admitting this. You just have to listen to one of the 5 state TV channels in Farsi. I even think Palestinians would fare better if not for these extremists on either side!<p>All that said, the supreme leader is the one who commands the murder of innocents in the streets, so he had it coming. Good riddance and he died like the rat that he was. But as to what happens next? No one knows. Also I personally don&#x27;t think US is doing this because they want Iran&#x27;s oil. I believe they want to put pressure on China to not get Iran&#x27;s cheap (under sanctions) oil. That seems more plausible to me.<p>*typo edit
  • 4ndrewl1 hour ago
    In a FIFA World Peace Cup year as well. Is nothing sacred?
  • w10-11 hour ago
    This claim and the offer of immunity may be intended more to reduce Iranian resistance than to represent reality.<p>(I would not rely on immunity from a nation that left collaborators on the tarmac in afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam?)
  • msuniverse20261 hour ago
    In my opinion the real problem for Iran lies in the north, on the border with Azerbaijan.<p>The Israeli-supplied Azeri military has already demonstrated its effectiveness when it curb stomped the unprepared and internally betrayed Armenian military and militias. Baku will eventually decide to intervene in the northern territories. If I had to guess, a &quot;special military operation&quot; into northern Iran is the most likely follow-up scenario goaded into and supplied of course by Israel&#x2F;US. The goal will be to foment a civil war and begin the dismemberment process of Iran.<p>A little personal conspiracy theory I have is that after the last Israel&#x2F;US intervention (when they mysteriously liquidated the only high-ranking and influential internal opposition of the Khamenei clan left) is that some sort of deal was worked out behind the scenes with the clan to get rid of the wizard-in-chief kinda like how Maduro was sold out. It is much easier to go to war with a country when it responds with only symbolic attacks and secretly promises to fight with one hand behind its back - provided cash and security flows for those at the top of course.
  • small_model1 hour ago
    If true, and given how easy it seemed decapitate the regime I can&#x27;t see another Ayatollah taking over, hopefully the people take over and institute a real secular democracy based on capitalism.
    • grey-area1 hour ago
      Without proper support and a huge nation building effort, the same fate as Lebanon, Syria, Lybia Iraq, Afghanistan is the more likely outcome after this evil dictator is gone.<p>Assassination doesn’t remove the system or rewrite the balance of power, nor does it reconstitute civil society.
    • squibonpig1 hour ago
      You were so close
    • XorNot1 hour ago
      Why not? If there&#x27;s one thing that&#x27;s been proven over the last 20 years it&#x27;s you can just outlast America.
  • zyngaro1 hour ago
    The era of the Isreali empire in the Middle-east might have began. From being on the brink of extinction at the hands of the Germans 80 years go to building an empire is as outstanding achievement.
    • kaveh_h55 minutes ago
      Israel can’t do anything without US. They don’t have the resources.
      • zyngaro49 minutes ago
        That&#x27;s called counterfactual thinking.
    • squibonpig56 minutes ago
      The student becomes the master
      • zyngaro47 minutes ago
        Why the downvotes. Please elaborate when downvoting.
        • squibonpig11 minutes ago
          I didn&#x27;t downvote you.
  • hirpslop1 hour ago
    This may or may not lead to a weaker Iran. From FP: “Iran is frequently portrayed as a political order bound tightly to individuals. Yet the architecture that emerged after 1979 was formed by a different logic, one founded in the revolutionary experience itself. Khomeini captured this hierarchy in a remark (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;abdimedia.net&#x2F;en&#x2F;ruhollah-khomeini&#x2F;system-ahead-life-imam-zaman" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;abdimedia.net&#x2F;en&#x2F;ruhollah-khomeini&#x2F;system-ahead-life...</a>) often cited within Iran’s political elite: “Preserving the Islamic Republic is more important than preserving any individual, even if that individual were the Imam of the Age”—a reference to Shiism’s 12th Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi. It is still unclear whether the system will always follow this principle. But one should expect a change in leadership in Tehran to be treated less as an ending and more as a chance for the country’s institutions to show they can survive.”<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;foreignpolicy.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;02&#x2F;28&#x2F;iran-khamenei-ayatollah-assassination-israel-us-war&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;foreignpolicy.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;02&#x2F;28&#x2F;iran-khamenei-ayatollah...</a>
  • dispersed1 hour ago
    Trump hasn&#x27;t provided any evidence of his death and is quoted as saying something very non-Trumpian here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;iran&#x2F;live-blog&#x2F;israel-iran-live-updates-rcna261099" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nbcnews.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;iran&#x2F;live-blog&#x2F;israel-iran-liv...</a><p>&gt; Earlier, Trump addressed reports that Khamenei was killed in airstrikes today, saying, “We feel that that is a correct story.”<p>This doesn&#x27;t sound like Trump&#x27;s typical bluster, and it&#x27;s even weirder that Trump didn&#x27;t immediately go on TV to brag. I&#x27;m not saying this is fake news, but I&#x27;ll wait for confirmation.
  • SethMurphy1 hour ago
    If the United States truly supported regime change there should be a clear next leader favored to succeed the Ayatollah, otherwise this feels more like a favor to oil companies, raising prices temporarily, and a sound bite for political gain, without a care of what happens to the country later. Simply toppling a government seems quite risky without further planning. Just expecting &quot;good&quot; people to fill the leadership vacuum is a gamble that could easily backfire and lead to greater crackdowns on freedoms and death to those Trump told to go get the power.
    • eunos1 hour ago
      I&#x27;m not discounting that Trump is thinking he could back another Pahlavi and restore the Peacock Throne.
    • Dig1t1 hour ago
      Obviously has nothing to do with oil companies or oil, this is a war on behalf of Israel. Netanyahu visited Trump 6 times in the past year. Prominent Zionists and Israelis inside the US have been agitating for the US to do this for years, especially since Trump took office last year.
  • kingofmen1 hour ago
    &gt; President Trump announced the Iranian leader&#x27;s death on social media, saying Khamenei could not avoid U.S. intelligence and surveillance. A source briefed on the U.S.-Israeli attacks on Iran told NPR earlier Saturday that an Israeli airstrike killed Khamenei.<p>This does not seem to me like very strong evidence? Trump just says whatever, and &quot;a source briefed on [the attacks]&quot; just means at least one person in USG thinks Khamenei was in whatever house they blew up. Am I missing some other confirmation?
    • ReptileMan1 hour ago
      If he is not dead - Iran will have to show him - and he will be double tapped.
  • omnee1 hour ago
    In isolation the death of this brutal dictator is great news, but we have seen how previous decapitation strikes have not had the intended effect. And I can only hope the Iranian people somehow end up better for this entirely illegal war that the Trump administration has initiated, instead of facing up to a fractured leadership and a potential civil war.
  • bossyTeacher1 hour ago
    Why didn&#x27;t he flee? This was a long time coming
    • TulliusCicero1 hour ago
      It&#x27;s definitely odd if he was just sitting in his compound. That&#x27;s a very, well, <i>known</i> place for him. Surely Iran has plenty of secure underground bunkers for leadership to retreat to?
      • fourseventy57 minutes ago
        Apparently they hit the compound with 30+ bunker busters. So perhaps he was in a bunker but the bombs still got him
        • jihadjihad38 minutes ago
          Is there a source for this? I haven’t read any of the specifics on the strike.
      • bjourne39 minutes ago
        Fleeing is seen as dishonorable in many parts of the Arab world. Remember the Israeli lies about how Yahya Sinwar dressed in women&#x27;s clothes and were trying to cross the border to Egypt? In reality he was out in the field with his men killing Israeli soldiers. He died a brave death and Khamenei will now have died one too.
        • TulliusCicero12 minutes ago
          Lol what are you talking about, Arabs are great at guerilla warfare, and that involves a ton of fleeing.
  • thisislife21 hour ago
    <i>Israel, Trump claims Khamenei killed, Iran denies</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aljazeera.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;liveblog&#x2F;2026&#x2F;2&#x2F;28&#x2F;live-israel-launches-attacks-on-iran-multiple-explosions-heard-in-tehran" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aljazeera.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;liveblog&#x2F;2026&#x2F;2&#x2F;28&#x2F;live-israe...</a>
  • pavlov1 hour ago
    The killings of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were so amazingly successful in stabilizing those countries that Americans keep repeating the pattern.
    • TulliusCicero1 hour ago
      Not a killing, but capturing Noriega did in fact work out well. Panama of today is generally stable and rich (by Latam standards anyway).
    • mkoubaa1 hour ago
      It&#x27;s almost like they are either stupid or the point was never about stability
  • cess111 hour ago
    I&#x27;d rather wait until it is confirmed.
  • avoutos45 minutes ago
    It&#x27;s remarkable to me how many seem to forget there is &quot;morality&quot; apart from &quot;legality&quot;. Even if this does violate some treaty somewhere, we need not wring hands over the death of an objective dictator.
  • 2OEH8eoCRo01 hour ago
    Best of luck to the people of Iran. Be safe! I&#x27;m praying for the best!
  • le-mark1 hour ago
    Netanyahu is leading Trump around by the nose apparently. And here we all thought Putin owned Trump. How the wheel turns.
    • amarant1 hour ago
      Nobody owns trump, you can&#x27;t buy him.<p>Trump is for <i>rent</i>. Shutting down a competitor is 25M, &quot;full service&quot; is apparently ~100M. I&#x27;m not privy to what invading an oil nation costs, but I reckon it&#x27;s akin to a hand job, so a nice golden wristwatch should probably do it?
    • abraxas1 hour ago
      Those are not mutually exclusive. He is still Putin&#x27;s bitch as well as Netanyahu&#x27;s.
    • mingus881 hour ago
      Trump appears to be for lease.
  • ReptileMan1 hour ago
    Ding dong the witch is dead. Let&#x27;s hope other witches follow his steps.
  • hit8run1 hour ago
    Today is a good day.
  • wesammikhail1 hour ago
    Honeeeeeeeeey get in here, the board of peace officially declared its first war!<p>Bring the popcorn with you. No need for salt cause everyone got that in spades on both sides.
  • ukblewis1 hour ago
    Time for the Iranians to overthrow the Islamic Regime and bring in Prince Reza Pahlavi as transitional leader, as so many Iranians died to make their wish of him being the leader clear, is fast approaching.
  • aaron6951 hour ago
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    • alchemism1 hour ago
      Long live the Yankee Empire. The world will learn to lick its boots.
      • brap1 hour ago
        This but unironically
      • 9823079320841 hour ago
        Hope your favorite dictator is next, comrade.
  • csmpltn1 hour ago
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  • thecarbonista1 hour ago
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    • jryan491 hour ago
      Cause people are sick of their tax money going to endless wars
  • gip1 hour ago
    I didn&#x27;t vote for him but you’ve got to give it to Trump. Where past US presidents’ foreign policy (wars: Afghanistan, Iraq; diplomacy: Iran under Obama, and so on) didn&#x27;t go anywhere, Trump gets results.<p>Now, these results may lead to unintended consequences in the future. But today, a murderer is dead.
    • culi59 minutes ago
      So are 80 schoolchidren at a primary school<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2026&#x2F;feb&#x2F;28&#x2F;children-dead-as-missile-hits-elementary-school-in-southern-iran" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2026&#x2F;feb&#x2F;28&#x2F;children-dead-...</a>
    • bambax1 hour ago
      The murderers are the people committing murders. That the victim was himself a ruthless tyrant doesn&#x27;t change the fact that this is intolerable. The US can&#x27;t be the only one allowed to bend the rules.<p>Don&#x27;t come crying around when the next 9&#x2F;11 inevitably happens.
    • dispersed59 minutes ago
      Obama literally signed a deal with Iran to constrain their nuclear program, and Trump ripped it up in his first term: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Ac...</a><p>Was the bottleneck in these situations really the US&#x27; willingness to kill or capture world leaders?
    • flyinglizard1 hour ago
      In hindsight, from the perspective of the Middle East and Arab world in general: Obama’s tenure was a geopolitical nightmare, while under Trump’s first presidency the Middle East made a big step forward with the Abraham Accords.
  • xannabxlle1 hour ago
    I&#x27;m tired of Israelis killing innocent people
    • pjc501 hour ago
      This was has killed a lot of innocent people. Khamenei was not one of the innocent.
    • TulliusCicero1 hour ago
      Ah yes, the poor innocent dictator minding his own business while killing thousands of protestors.
      • bambax59 minutes ago
        If what matters is the number of people killed, the next two should be Putin and Netanyahu. Yet I have a feeling that will not happen.
        • TulliusCicero11 minutes ago
          Pretty much by definition, dictators do not allow themselves to be removed by the people through peaceful means, which is why it&#x27;s easy to draw a line there. If someone&#x27;s a dictator, it&#x27;s morally okay to kill them. Always.