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  • maxdo7 minutes ago
    CAG sounds like fake solution for LLM&#x27;s. Math problems are not custom data, they are limited in amount, and do not refresh like product manuals.<p>Hence math can always be part either generic llm or math fine tuned llm, without weird layer made for human ( entire wolfram) and dependencies.<p>Wolfram alpha was always an extra translation layer between machine and human. LLM&#x27;s are a universal translation layer that can also solve problems, verify etc.
  • nphardon1 hour ago
    There&#x27;s a great discussion with Stephen Wolfram on the Sean Carroll podcast. Listening to it made me think very highly of Wolfram. He&#x27;s a free thinking, eccentric, mathematician, scientist; who got started doing serious work at a very young age. He still has a youthful creative approach to thought and science. I hope LLMs do pair well with his tools.
    • kylecazar29 minutes ago
      He live streams the (internal) Wolfram Alpha product meetings on YouTube. It&#x27;s really interesting to watch, I&#x27;ve been a fly on the wall for years.
      • nphardon24 minutes ago
        I knew about this but never attended, so cool!
    • jadbox50 minutes ago
      I&#x27;m fairly certain Stephen Wolfram will be one of the few intellectuals today that will still be remembered in 50 years.
      • SpaceNoodled19 minutes ago
        I already remember him from 25 years ago
  • ddp2634 minutes ago
    I tried using wolfram alpha as a tool for an llm research agent, and I couldn&#x27;t find any tasks it could solve with it, that it couldn&#x27;t solve with just Google and Python.
  • petcat2 hours ago
    Sounds cool.<p>Aside, I hate the fact that I read posts like these and just subconsciously start counting the em-dashes and the &quot;it&#x27;s not just [thing], it&#x27;s [other thing]&quot; phrasing. It makes me think it&#x27;s just more AI.
    • mr_mitm1 hour ago
      If there is one person who likes to hear himself talk too much to use AI, it&#x27;s got to be Stephen Wolfram.
      • jacquesm1 hour ago
        It&#x27;s like Stephen Wolfram, only now there is 10x more of it...
    • gnatman1 hour ago
      If you go back to a random much older post you’ll find emdashes aplenty.<p>e.g. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;writings.stephenwolfram.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;launching-mathematica-10-with-700-new-functions-and-a-crazy-amount-of-rd&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;writings.stephenwolfram.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;launching-mathem...</a>
      • _alaya1 hour ago
        Plot twist - AI reasoned that Stephen Wolfram actually <i>was</i> the smartest human and thus chose to emulate his writing style.
    • nubg4 minutes ago
      Thank you from saving me a click and my brain from consuming AI slop by a person who cannot be bothered to use their own damn words.
    • llbbdd2 hours ago
      The other day I formatted a sentence out loud in the &quot;it&#x27;s not just x it&#x27;s y&quot; structure and immediately felt gross, despite having done it probably a million times in my lifetime. That was an out-of-body feeling.
      • zamadatix1 hour ago
        When I notice that I change it to &quot;it&#x27;s y, not just x&quot; just to catch others off guard :).
        • MillionOClock3 minutes ago
          Oh no! Now it&#x27;s going to be in the training dataset :&#x27;(
    • sdeiley1 hour ago
      There are dozens of us that used them before AI! Dozens!
    • keybored1 hour ago
      If you really want to know: more than one emmy-dash per paragraph is probably excessive.<p>&gt; LLMs don’t—and can’t—do everything. What they do is very impressive—and useful. It’s broad. And in many ways it’s human-like. But it’s not precise. And in the end it’s not about deep computation.<p>This is a mess. What is the flow here? Two abrupt interrupts (<i>and useful</i>) followed by stubby sentences. Yucky.
      • metabagel0 minutes ago
        It&#x27;s a conversational writing style.
      • written-beyond1 hour ago
        Idk about the grammatical correctness of the punctuation, but I really enjoyed reading his writing. Never read something by him before, it was genuinely refreshing, specially given it was a glorified ad.
    • scoot1 hour ago
      LLMs use the em-dash excessively but correctly. This post is littered with them in places they don&#x27;t belong which makes it look decidedly human, as if written by someone who believes that random em-dashes make their writing look more professional, while actually having the opposite effect.
      • arjie1 hour ago
        It&#x27;s Stephen Wolfram, mathematician and computer scientist. This is how he portrays himself <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;content.wolfram.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;43&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;07-popcorn-rig1.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;content.wolfram.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;43&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;07-popcorn-rig1...</a><p>Somehow I don&#x27;t think &quot;trying to make my writing look professional&quot; is very high on the priority list.
  • skolos1 hour ago
    I like Mathematica and use it regularly. But I did not see any benefits of using it over python as a tool that Claude Code can use. Every script it produced in wolfram was slower with worse answers than python. Wolfram people are really trying but so far the results are not very good.
    • mr_mitm1 hour ago
      Back when I was using it, mathematica was unmatched in its ability to find integrals. Has python caught up there?
      • currymj1 hour ago
        sympy is good enough for typical uses. the user interface is worse but that doesn&#x27;t matter to Claude. I imagine if you have some really weird symbolic or numeric integrals, Mathematica may have some highly sophisticated algorithms where it would have an edge.<p>however, even this advantage is eaten away somewhat because the models themselves are decent at solving hard integrals.
        • tptacek1 hour ago
          I&#x27;ve always sort of assumed the models were just making sympy scripts behind the scenes.
          • currymj23 minutes ago
            sometimes you can see them do this and sometimes you can see they just work through the problem in the reasoning tokens without invoking python.
          • cyanydeez55 minutes ago
            Wheres Godel when you need him. A lot of this stuff is symbol shunting, which LLMs should be really good at.
    • ai-christianson1 hour ago
      What do you think the problem is?
      • owyn56 minutes ago
        I think the problem is just not enough training on that specific language because it&#x27;s proprietary. Most useful Mathematica code is on someone&#x27;s personal computer, not GitHub. They can build up a useful set of training data, some benchmarks, a contest for the AI companies to score high on, because they do love that kind of thing.<p>But for most internet applications (as opposed to &quot;math&quot; stuff) I would think Python is still a better language choice.
  • peter_d_sherman44 minutes ago
    &gt;&quot;But an approach that’s immediately and broadly applicable today—and for which we’re releasing several new products—is based on what we call<p><i>computation-augmented generation, or CAG.</i><p>The key idea of <i>CAG</i> is to inject in real time capabilities from our foundation tool into the stream of content that LLMs generate. In traditional retrieval-augmented generation, or RAG, one is injecting content that has been retrieved from existing documents.<p><i>CAG is like an infinite extension of RAG</i><p>, in which <i>an infinite amount of content</i> can be <i>generated on the fly—using computation</i>—to feed to an LLM.&quot;<p>We welcome <i>CAG</i> -- to the list of LLM-related technologies!