"Discord Distances itself from Peter Thiel's Palantir Age Verification Firm" means jack shit if they're still doing business with them.<p>And Discord has approached this in such a monstrously awful way that I don't know what they could possibly say at this point to make me believe them.<p>I fully expect Discord will buddy-buddy right back up with some other Thiel-affiliated company if there is a separation if not go right back to them once the heat dies down.
To do the Simpsons quotes like suggested in the article, Discord picking age verification "third party providers" definitely looks like they park various vans across the street.
One of them didn't delete IDs properly and leaked them.<p>Now Peter Thiel's Age verification truck has been parked across the street for 2 weeks. How long does it take to deliver a pizza ?<p>They need to replace it with Flowers By Irene van ? Who wants to create that company and try to sell it ?<p>I'm dumbfounded that a big tech company that says they take age verification so seriously just subcontracts that part to this set of various subcontractor with no apparent vetting.<p>I do love Discord as a platform, but I don't understand who steers it.
Ding ding ding. Matter of time, this is merely damage control until the news cycle fades into the next.
Who cares where they outsource the age verification to?<p>They have no business keeping my ID scan or face in any case. Because there's an 120% chance they'll end up on a public S3 bucket.
Can't we just do this age verification locally on-device? Just some WASM to run a small AI model, which scans face+ID.<p>I know it'll be easier to bypass, but that does not matter. We're trying to stop children, not adults with technical skill.
The browser could also emit the age, which sites could check to block, and parents could manage via parental controls.<p>But that's no fun: can't assure control of the children (bad), monetization (even worse) not share with government (the worst, given the current administration).
True, and that'd be the best method by far. A European politician recently proposed this.[0] The issue is that a single service can't just implement this. If I'm a service and I need age verification, I need something that I can implement by myself.<p>[0] <a href="https://democrats.eu/en/protecting-minors-online-without-violating-privacy-is-possible/" rel="nofollow">https://democrats.eu/en/protecting-minors-online-without-vio...</a>
It's not about age verification but control and digital id.
Is a face scan accurate enough to do that with 100% accuracy?
Article title, which was a lot clearer than this one: "Discord Distances Itself From Age Verification Firm After Ties To Palantir’s Peter Thiel Surface"<p>Not sure why you changed it but it makes quite the difference to the meaning.
Notably, by doing this Discord lied in their initial announcement. They originally said [1] that all processing would be on-device, but that's not true for users subject to this "experiment".<p>1: <a href="https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-default-settings-globally" rel="nofollow">https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-...</a>
As Argento Dragone said in the Kotaku comments:<p>"Face scanning is used to do ID verification on your device and then deleted immediately."<p>"By immediately I mean we send it to k-ID who said that's what they do."<p>"By that I mean they partnered with Persona to do the actual verification."<p>"Persona clarified that by 'immediately' they mean 'after seven days.'"<p>"And given their ties to Palantir, it's probably fine. You trust us, right?"
And by "Deleted immediately" they might mean they delete the image but keep the hash.
> "By immediately I mean we send it to k-ID who said that's what they do."<p>People have already validated this fyi. When k-ID was first added you could send a bogus age result to discord from your local device, which probably still works. There's no evidence your facial scans leave the device.<p>> "By that I mean they partnered with Persona to do the actual verification."<p>Which isn't true, it was a UK-only experiment being run for a small subset of users, which has now been discontinued.<p>I get people are outraged, but this is sensationalism at best.
After the last screwup, by the same company, why would you trust the data to stay on your device?<p>> Of the accounts impacted globally, we have identified approximately 70,000 users that may have had government-ID photos exposed, which our vendor used to review age-related appeals.<p>And by same company, I don't mean discord. I mean Persona.<p><a href="https://discord.com/press-releases/update-on-security-incident-involving-third-party-customer-service" rel="nofollow">https://discord.com/press-releases/update-on-security-incide...</a>
was it “uk only” or was it the only place that required them to notify users theyre being experimented on?<p>we know US law allows tech companies to experiment on us without notifying at all. facebook was caught experimenting on users to see if a timeline full of sad posts would cause the users to become depressed.<p>im guessing his companies will get ahold of discord users data in most other countries. i’d be shocked if he only wants data from a tiny number of UK people.
Trust is fragile.
Enter into Google: Discord breach october 2025<p>Discord probably still claims they weren't hacked. How they handle incidents like this matters to a lot of folks, and that's what this is about.<p>3 months after a major breach, how could anybody possibly believe that they fixed all their wrong organizational policies and security measurements within that time, while still not even acknowledging the incident?
The risk in effect is that every message sent on Discord will make its way to Palantir with copy of your ID. This is not a risk that any user should accept. Discord fooled its users once, and it should not be trusted to not fool them again.
I very hesitantly used discord occasionally because some projects I wanted to keep up with moved there<p>I gave up a few times since I kept getting autobanned by a broken algorithm (i.e., based on my ip or phone number, not anything I'd said) until I contacted their devs and they manually fixed it.<p>Obviously, I am never going to consider using discord again after this shit-tsunami. Back to irc and signal groups.
Nobody believes that.
Is this the same Peter Thiel who gives lectures on Greta Thunberg being the literal anti-christ?
Not sure why you're being down voted but the answer is yes, it is the same Peter Thiel who gives lectures on Greta Thunberg being the literal anti-christ and if the down voters think you might be exaggerating or misleading them I encourage them to search this up.<p>Edit - I searched to refresh myself, ok he didn't say she was the literal antichrist. He said she's literally a legionnaire for the literal antichrist. I cannot stress enough that he was very clear that he was not using these terms figuratively, I mean "literal" in the literal sense of the term.
Yeah, he definitely has gone off the rails lately with all the talk about the antichrist being a literal existing being with emissaries on earth. I haven't been watching his stuff but the little I've seen was unhinged.
Thiel lost the plot long ago, just like his PayPal buddy did. The money went to their heads.<p>300 years into the future some historian will publish a book: "The downfall of the USA traced back to the PayPal Mafia".
for which Gretta is the litteral, antidote, as she has NO money, or such vanishingly small personal funds as to be of no account, yet hiches rides on sailboats to show up and berate parliments in there well worn lairs, her speach to the british parliment bieng a clear sign that she wont back down , and much worse, has such impecable manners that she mistook there talking and joking to be a technical mallfunction with her microphone.
And now after her capture by the ZGF (zionist genocide force), and stare down with there chief torturer/jailer, she has vanished from all major media.
So that Gretta and that Peter, are in fact
polar oposites in almost every sense.
Lately?<p>"I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." 2009<p>He is just executing on this, and some of religious technocratic nonsense beliefs just leaked a bit.
"yes I'm right. Not sure why you are being downvoted. Do your own research"<p>Does research and now admits that he wasn't right, and understands why he and others were being down voted and hopefully learns from this and moves on.<p>Kudos for the edit and honesty: it's rare to see learning actually happen in fiery threads! I've been in your shoes and learning and change is possible.
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Well, she openly supports islamo-supremacists and facists as long as they have the right skin color.<p>yea... I'm gonna call bullshit on that.<p>> are not just busy hating jews,<p>ah there we go. the standard strawmen dogwhistle. we stopped bying it sometime after you all called doctors without boreders, amnesty international and the ICC antisemetic. let me guess, you support zionism and the genocide in palestine? I bet in backrooms you refer to them as human animals too right?<p>sorry mate, we ain't fallin for it.
"openly supports islamo-supremacists and facists"<p>You must misunderstand what Anti-christ behaviour looks like. Antichrist behaviour is having one of your agents organize a worldwide cabal of child rapists and baby-organ eaters just so one day they can all be blackmailed into enabling the mass industrial holocausting of tens of thousands of other children in an open air prison - dropping thermobaric bombs onto schools so as to gas the victims of your demonic holocaust upon them .... oh wait turn them into a fine mist... and then attempting to shapeshift into members of a historically oppressed abrahamic monotheistic (antichrist followers - zs - are literal false-idol worshippers) faith so innocent anti-zionist Jewish people get framed for your demonic babybloodletting.
Do you just read the headlines because that isn't what he said.<p>He said that people like Greta are legionnaires of the Antichrist. Which is not "Greta is the literal anti-christ".<p>Do you have any idea of the context of what the whole point was? If not, perhaps you should find out before you talk rubbish.<p>Do you know what he means by "Antichrist" or are you taking the least generous interpretation you can because you don't like the man.
If someone is saying that there are literal actuql existing legionnaires of the literal actual existing antichrist, and X person is one of them, it's not the "X person is one of them" part that I have an issue with.
Maybe you can help me out, I listened to him talk about this and I couldn't make head-nor-tail of what he was trying to say. It feels like he's so tied up in concepts and metaphors and similes and allegories it's impossible to tell specifically what he is asserting to be true. If you could explain to me like I was five I'd be grateful. Not looking for an argument.
Is this the ‘oh he was just joshing about, he didn’t really mean what he said’ defence?
"The insane person didn't say _that_ insane thing, they said a _different_ insane thing!"<p>I mean, not sure it helps much.
so he said she’s the literal legionnaire of the antichrist?<p>that doesn’t really sound a whole lot better.
I don’t see how that’s any less insane.
Are you one of those that say that trump is doing 5d chess?
You are seeing quotes where there are none.<p>Every billionaire has massive mental health issues.
Too late. Trust is gone.
Oh, the irony of Peter Thiel being involved in age verification, after lunching with Epstein (post-conviction).
"Distances itself" lol what does that even mean? Did they step back from the admin console or something?