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  • isaacimagine24 minutes ago
    I read this as &quot;a shortage of tensors&quot; and was curious as to the latest chicanery.<p>But yeah tenors right -- matches my experience.
  • jawns1 hour ago
    The choral world has survived despite a longtime shortage of castrati.<p>I&#x27;m sure they&#x27;ll figure something out.<p>In all seriousness, SATB is mostly a constraint because of how choral composers write their music, not because good music demands it. You can produce beautiful music without all four voice parts being equally represented.
    • pclmulqdq46 minutes ago
      I compose music once in a while. I&#x27;m now trying to write more in a texture like SSAATB if I want amateurs to sing the music, but it&#x27;s not as easy to write as SATB or SSAATTBB music.
  • throw0101a1 hour ago
    Can&#x27;t wait for Bloomberg&#x27;s <i>Odd Lots</i> podcast have a supply chain episode on this topic. :)
  • crazygringo1 hour ago
    There have never been enough tenors anywhere, as the article acknowledges.<p>It&#x27;s not clear what the evidence is that the problem is getting worse though? Or why it would be?
    • bluGill1 hour ago
      There is only so much time in a day. Often singing in choir conflicts with playing sports because you have concerts and games on the same nights, so you have to make a choice. There are also schedule pressures - if you are going to get into college you nearly have to take math, English, science, and foreign language classes beyond what your school demands and that forces hard choices if there even is a class period free (don&#x27;t forget you might be taking band to take up that space)<p>Finally, there are a lot of bad teachers. They are so interested in winning competition and teaching perfection - but for most music will never be anything other than a fun hobby and so they are getting the wrong teaching which turns many students off. I&#x27;ve seen a lot of award winning school choirs, and the next town over with the same number of students has twice the students in choir despite not winning awards - communities need to pick and often don&#x27;t realize this.
    • IsTom47 minutes ago
      N=1 and not singing in a choir, I could probably sing tenor parts if I trained, but to me bass feels more satisfying, doubly so going <i>low</i> with throat singing.
    • klooney1 hour ago
      Declining popularity among men
      • klipt1 hour ago
        Then why no shortage of basses?
        • pclmulqdq50 minutes ago
          As a professional-level baritone who has sung tenor parts quite a lot, there is a shortage of every low voice type (directors are often conflicted when I make the offer to sing tenor). People who can produce a chorally-acceptable A or Bb are in the shortest supply, though. It&#x27;s getting worse as the amateur singing circuit gets smaller and the gender ratio gets more skewed.<p>Amateur-level choirs tend to have a lot more basses than tenors because it is easier to sing bass without effort spent on vocal training.
        • delecti47 minutes ago
          Tenor parts are more difficult, technically speaking, and voices capable of the tenor range are rarer. So any given man joining a choir can more likely manage the bass range, and if they can, they can almost certainly manage the bass parts.<p>FTA:<p>&gt; When men do join singing groups, they often avoid the tenor section. The tenor voice is “a cultivated sound”, says John Potter, author of a book on the subject. A man with no vocal training is more likely to have the range of a baritone (a high bass). It does not help that the tenor voice is associated with operatic stars such as Luciano Pavarotti, who could powerfully sing high notes that no amateur can easily reach. And the tenor line in classical choral music can be difficult, with many unexpected notes and alarming leaps.
        • mqus1 hour ago
          As the article states, its usually 2:1 women to men so there is also a kind of shortage of basses, its just not as severe.
        • bluGill1 hour ago
          I know many women who admit they &quot;fall in love&quot; anytime they hear a low bass. They might marry a tenor and never cheat on them, but every time their hear a low bass their heart flutters. Men know&#x2F;see this and so tenors become less interested since their higher voices don&#x27;t get the women (there are plenty of other ways they have).<p>I don&#x27;t know how much this is a factor, but...
          • nozzlegear29 minutes ago
            Anecdotal I guess, but when I was in a high school choir, I loathed that my teacher assigned me to the tenor section. It did not fit with the image of myself that the high school version of me held in my head; &quot;a man should be a baritone or bass after puberty!&quot;<p>I liked choir and stayed in it for all four years, but I was never particularly good at it so what the hell did I know anyway.
          • lbeckman31449 minutes ago
            This is now my favorite benign conspiracy&#x2F;cause of the lack of tenors!<p>Damn those big-voiced basses — they&#x27;re stealing all our love interests :p
  • giardini1 day ago
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