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  • KaiserPro1 hour ago
    I dunno what the budget is, I&#x27;ve not had time to watch it all. however getting a second hand dell md3060 (they are rebadged from an OEM) for about £1k is also a good option.<p>Its 60drives and mostly bulletproof. Downside is that you&#x27;ll either need SAS controller on your server, or find the vanishingly rare Sata controllers.<p>JBOD that badboy into ZFS and you&#x27;ll have something fast enough for most things (streaming)<p>How we used them was hardware raid 7 in 4 groups of 13 with the rest as hot spares. LVM raid 0 and good to go (this was a time before production ZFS on linux)<p>I&#x27;m not sure what the compatibility is with larger sata drives given how old it is. I suspect you might be limited to JBOD.
    • bayindirh29 minutes ago
      I believe they&#x27;re NetApp boxes, in fact.<p>I have a ZFS JBOD supporting a 40ish machine cluster, and it works really well, 99.99% of the time, which is good enough.<p>Mine is not very dense. 150TB&#x2F;box.
  • Tepix1 hour ago
    Also relevant: Backblaze Storage Pod 6.0<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;cloud-storage&#x2F;resources&#x2F;storage-pod" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;cloud-storage&#x2F;resources&#x2F;storage-po...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;open-source-data-storage-server&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;open-source-data-storage-serv...</a>
    • Palomides25 minutes ago
      as an aside, backblaze has since switched to off the shelf supermicro systems
  • _-_-__-_-_-30 minutes ago
    I watched this last week, it is a wonderful project. It took so much work and engineering.
  • geoah4 hours ago
    Any suggestions for UK alternatives for cutting and bending the steel sheets needed for the chassis to the suggested US company in the video? I’ve reached out to a couple for quotes a couple of days back but haven’t heard back yet.
    • zipy1242 hours ago
      Here you go dude: - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fractory.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fractory.com&#x2F;</a> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lasercutsend.uk&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lasercutsend.uk&#x2F;</a> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.andoverlaser.co.uk&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.andoverlaser.co.uk&#x2F;</a><p>The second is the most similar to the company in the video, but the first is a much more established company. If none of these can do what you need, I suggest looking around the large manufacturing cities, so sheffield&#x2F;derby&#x2F;birmingham where there are still lots of small bespoke workshops that service large companies like forgemaster, rolls royce and JLR etc....
  • OrvalWintermute1 hour ago
    full captures of VMs, snapshotting &amp; ISOs eats up lots of storage<p>Previously ran an mp3 scraper recording 30 stations simultaneously<p>Good exposure to more music
  • Brajeshwar9 hours ago
    What would a typical household&#x2F;homelab use such a storage for? (“Games &amp; Stuff”)
    • lanthade8 hours ago
      Data hoarders. I&#x27;m in a plex group on fb and there&#x27;s people there with libraries that they could never personally watch all of. It sometimes seems like it&#x27;s more a game of collecting all the things than it is about actually enjoying the collection.
      • dghughes1 hour ago
        You hear of media companies that delete old music and video from their own archives. People saving what they can may have the only copy left in existence.
      • bayindirh6 hours ago
        Another part of it is the ability to play with enterprise hardware. That level of hardware has so many features which is cool for the technically inclined, but useless for a normal home user. When enthusiasm hits resources and the desire to acquire knowledge, this happens sometimes.<p>I have seen a couple of guys who acquired older generation storage &quot;racks&quot; which they &quot;play with&quot; in the weekends. Do they have the cooling? No. Does it affect their electricity bill? Very. But they want to learn that thing and want to play with it, which is understandable, as long as it&#x27;s kept checked.<p>Not different from audiophiles who lose their way, actually.<p>I <i>was</i> a wannabe data-hoarder by accident, but I understood why I&#x27;m doing and decided to slim down drastically. I&#x27;m merging, deduplicating and deleting data step by step, because many of it is my own files from the days of yore, and I want to preserve some of them. To be frank, at this very moment I&#x27;m verifying that I have copied a bunch of files without corruption, so I can start working on them (sha256deep is an underappreciated tool).<p>Some of the datahoarders give me weird looks when I say, I&#x27;d rather have a single NUC with a couple of spinning drives for backing up what I care rather than having them all in a cabinet full of RAID arrays, but I already have them at work. I don&#x27;t want another server at home (not because that I don&#x27;t enjoy it, but I want to have some time touching actual grass).
        • hsbauauvhabzb5 hours ago
          Fwiw you don’t _need_ to leave the enterprise stuff on 24&#x2F;7, or have a huge hdd capacity (vs say $n enterprise drives of very limited capacity). It’s still gonna be expensive, but not silly expensive (and the ROI when you get promoted probably makes it worth it)
          • traceroute6629 minutes ago
            &gt; you don’t _need_ to leave the enterprise stuff on 24&#x2F;7<p>If you are using enterprise SSDs the you need to be aware that the JDEC standards[1] are such that the assumption for enterprise SSDs is that they are operating 24&#x2F;7.<p>Which is why, for example, the standards specify &quot;power off data retention&quot; of 3 months for enterprise SSDs vs 1 year for client SSDs.<p>And conversely, for reliability, the standards specify &quot;active use&quot; 24&#x2F;7 for enterprise vs 8 hours&#x2F;day for client SSDs.<p>Like many things with ID, the choice of client vs enterprise SSDs is a &#x27;pick two&#x27; scenario.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;files.futurememorystorage.com&#x2F;proceedings&#x2F;2011&#x2F;20110810_T1B_Cox.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;files.futurememorystorage.com&#x2F;proceedings&#x2F;2011&#x2F;20110...</a>
          • bayindirh4 hours ago
            In the post I have seen, where the guys got a single full rack and played with it on the weekends, running it for a day added a significant amount to their bills, so yes, newer systems are more efficient (generally due to compute efficiencies), but disks are disks. Spindles are not way more efficient than before.<p>On the ROI part, this is a case by case issue. I for one can do the &quot;play&quot; part at work, too. Also, I don&#x27;t want to spare space for a 1U or 2U full-depth server at home. I&#x27;m not even adding disk boxes to this. I neither have the space, nor the desire.
      • stingraycharles7 hours ago
        This is correct, I personally aim to have all the highest quality versions of all movies, ie original Blu-ray. I have plenty of people that make use of it, it’s a hobby.
      • hrimfaxi7 hours ago
        Either that or they share their library with others (or maybe a bit of both)
      • tuananh6 hours ago
        how much does it cost in term of electricity per month?
        • PeterStuer5 hours ago
          If you run all the drives 24&#x2F;7 I would guess you are looking at somewhere around 400W assuming a power sipping minipc as the host. This can be extremely optimized if you intelligently spin down disks when idle, probably down to &gt;50W average.<p>Cost will depend on your electricity contract, but will propbably not be a thing that would stop you if you want to do this.
        • bayindirh6 hours ago
          From &quot;negligible&quot; to &quot;I have another house inside my house&quot; levels, depending on your hardware.<p>A close friend of mine runs a single beefy server at home, which is currently ~35% of his monthly bill if I&#x27;m not making mental-math mistakes.
    • cookiengineer4 hours ago
      Knowledge archive. Everything I need to know to practice my job and life, I have an offline copy of. Wikipedia, SO, mediawikis, devdocs, git repos of dependencies etc.<p>If google decides to shove AI generated results up our throats, that&#x27;s the reasonable alternative.<p>Currently I am building zimdex, as an alternative to the zim tools.<p>Also if that&#x27;s your thing, check out the kiwix.org project. It&#x27;s really nice.
      • bayindirh2 hours ago
        Most of them should be pretty compressible though. How do you store them? Currently I&#x27;m running TrueNAS on a small NUC w&#x2F; 4SSDs and working on adding a mirrored pool via an external enclosure, but I&#x27;ll be doing some bug fixing, it seems.
    • PeterStuer5 hours ago
      I know a person that just &quot;collects&quot; games. They don&#x27;t play them, they don&#x27;t distribute them, it&#x27;s just dowloaded and (poorly) cataloged like a Pokemon collection, unironically trying to catch them all.
    • willtemperley8 hours ago
      Store the Sentinel 2 imagery for a year - about 500TB.<p>Now I just have to find a way to avoid the $50k egress cost from AWS.
    • kybernetikos6 hours ago
      Z-library mirror maybe.
    • ahnick5 hours ago
      Chia farming.
    • NoPicklez9 hours ago
      Memes
      • xipho9 hours ago
        That&#x27;s no meme- it&#x27;s a fully operational crazy custom build. A remarkable video that doesn&#x27;t end in &quot;like and mash subscribe&quot;.
        • bombcar3 hours ago
          I think they meant &quot;store memes on it&quot;.
        • OrvalWintermute50 minutes ago
          Amazed by how many things he built in the process of making his NAS.<p>High quality vid!
    • qingcharles7 hours ago
      &quot;Linux ISOs&quot;
      • bayindirh6 hours ago
        The funny thing is, I keep a set of historical Linux ISOs to be able to work with older servers in my fleet.<p>Needing Debian 8 because that Lights Out connection requires JVM-something for the Java Web Start based console of the system.<p>Moreover, funnily, some newer servers work wonkier with more modern ipmitools and browser versions while connecting remotely. Intricacies of older embedded systems.
  • lanthade8 hours ago
    [flagged]
    • geerlingguy7 hours ago
      Note that here DIY means designing the chassis, the drive loader mechanism, PCBs for backplate, power distribution (including crimping dozens of power cables), modding PCIe cards to fit.<p>It&#x27;s not a boring &quot;I bought a Chia mining server and inserted lots of hard drives&quot; build.
    • stingraycharles7 hours ago
      You should watch the video before commenting; in the first 10 seconds it’s explained that everything is built from scratch, including chassis.
      • lanthade57 minutes ago
        I would if I could but like I said, sometimes watching a video isn&#x27;t an option. The move in some areas to publishing everything as a video instead of writing a proper article is problematic for multiple reasons. I am glad that most things on HN are print and much more discoverable and consumable in all situations.
      • orthoxerox7 hours ago
        Everything?
        • stingraycharles7 hours ago
          Well not everything of course, but at least the chassis and PCB boards.<p>I don’t think the most upvoted comment on this thread should be dismissing this as “not impressive”, not even having watched the video.
          • sampullman6 hours ago
            nit: the last letter of PCB stands for &quot;board&quot;
    • irishcoffee8 hours ago
      I’ll just leave this here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=46512881">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=46512881</a>