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  • djoldman1 hour ago
    &quot;Grants and contracts revenue represents the largest component of University revenue ($1.5 billion and 38%).&quot;[0]<p>Indeed. Many large US universities are more accurately labeled as research centers with schools attached.<p>Because those grants are extremely restricted in what they can pay for, it&#x27;s not quite accurate to include them in anything like an &quot;available operating revenue&quot; number.<p>[0]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;resources.finance.duke.edu&#x2F;resources&#x2F;docs&#x2F;Financial_Reports2023-24.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;resources.finance.duke.edu&#x2F;resources&#x2F;docs&#x2F;Financial_...</a>
    • SoftTalker1 hour ago
      Yes, grant money must be spent according to the approved budget plan for the grant. But Duke is also one of the &quot;elite&quot; schools that charge over 60% &quot;overhead&quot; on federal research grants.
      • conception48 minutes ago
        Most federal grants offer that level of overhead, or did. And not sure why overhead is in quotes. You can’t charge electricity or HR to directs.
        • SoftTalker43 minutes ago
          Duke&#x27;s overhead rate is (was) among the highest. Average for all universities is 28%.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;georgecalhoun&#x2F;2025&#x2F;02&#x2F;26&#x2F;universities-face-a--reckoning-over-federal-rd-funding-pt-1&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;georgecalhoun&#x2F;2025&#x2F;02&#x2F;26&#x2F;univer...</a>
          • estearum17 minutes ago
            Unsurprisingly it appears the universities with the most advanced facilities&#x2F;equipment and are therefore able to conduct the most advanced research have the highest overhead rates.
  • bbminner1 hour ago
    I&#x27;d be curious to know the breakdown of &quot;wages and benefits&quot; between academics, teachers and administrative staff. I&#x27;ve heard that admin takes up a huge fraction of the cost. How large can it be?
    • bpt350 minutes ago
      From <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dukechronicle.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;duke-university-facility-and-administrative-costs-rate-reimbursement-explainer-nih-20251016" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dukechronicle.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;duke-university-facility-a...</a>:<p>&gt; Duke has a F&amp;A rate of 61.5% with the NIH, which means that for every dollar provided to a Duke faculty member conducting research, an additional 61.5 cents is given to the University to compensate for its F&amp;A costs.<p>This is not an uncommon overhead rate for a large university, and is in line with overhead rates at the largest government contractors. That doesn&#x27;t mean it&#x27;s entirely reasonable or a sign of an efficient operation.
    • JadeNB58 minutes ago
      What distinction do you draw between academics and teachers? Those are usually overlapping roles.<p>According to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;publicaffairs.vpcomm.umich.edu&#x2F;key-issues&#x2F;compensation&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;publicaffairs.vpcomm.umich.edu&#x2F;key-issues&#x2F;compensati...</a> (just an example of a public university), it&#x27;s $376K to executives, $481K to deans, and $152.7K to faculty in FY2013. Deans usually count as ~50% admin, so we could call that $376K + $240.5K = $616.5K to admin and $240.5K + $152.7K = $393.2K to faculty, roughly a 3:2 ratio.
      • analog3115 minutes ago
        &quot;Academic&quot; is kind of a broad brush. A professor and a teacher are both academics. One difference is tenure and research. A professor is eligible for tenure, and expected to do research or scholarship. They can train grad students.<p>In contrast, most undergraduate teaching is done by &quot;adjuncts&quot; for whom the job is essentially gig work. Moreover, professors are considered &quot;faculty&quot; and adjuncts &quot;staff,&quot; making it confusing to figure out how many employees of a university are engaged in teaching versus doing other things. For instance a faculty-to-staff ratio would be misleading.<p>Disclosure: I was an &quot;adjunct&quot; many years ago.
      • nathan_compton55 minutes ago
        I&#x27;m an academic and its difficult for me to imagine what the fuck deans do that is worth ~3-4 times as much as the people actually teaching and doing research. Fire them into outer space, I say.
        • JadeNB54 minutes ago
          &gt; I&#x27;m an academic and its difficult for me to imagine what the fuck deans do that is worth ~3-4 times as much as the people actually teaching and doing research. Fire them into outer space, I say.<p>I&#x27;m also an academic. To me, the primary role of a dean is to insulate me as much as possible from upper admin. I&#x27;ve had deans who are good at this job, and those who either aren&#x27;t good at it, or think that their job is something else. The ones who are good at what I think their job is ... I&#x27;m not sure I&#x27;d want to see them get 3–4x my pay, but I&#x27;m definitely willing to pay a premium to have someone else deal with upper admin.
          • darth_avocado33 minutes ago
            So it’s a management layer created to help protect people who actually provide value from the OTHER management layer. Sounds like a made up problem to me, and also an example of what everyone complains about when it comes to higher education: too much admin pushing costs higher.
            • eigen24 minutes ago
              I mean this is an issue in private industry as far as I&#x27;ve seen as well. as a company grows layers of middle management are added to translate and implement policies from other management layers
  • fuzzfactor36 minutes ago
    From the comments:<p>&gt;The number of staff and non-tenure track faculty has ballooned dramatically since I arrived at Rice in 2004. I agree with you, that from what I&#x27;ve read elsewhere, it&#x27;s a common phenomenon at well-resourced institutions.<p>What I&#x27;ve seen at a number of universities are opportunities to get hired on to things like full-time maintenance staff with better pay, job security, and work-life-balance compared to actual PhDs.<p>And maybe more likely to be a decades-long career at the same institution, compared to recognized scholars.<p>I couldn&#x27;t help but notice this about ten years ago, and UH looks like it is on track too.