This is awesome! Small projects like this that take off are fun to read.<p>Maybe I'm imaging it but FreeBSD really seems to have far less bloat than Linux distros and better latency. I just setup a $4/mo FreeBSD VM on Vultr with 1G RAM and 1vCPU and it's only using 12% of RAM with Caddy. A VM with 4GB of RAM and 4 vCPUs could serve <i>a lot</i> of traffic.<p>I'm wanting to create a personal blogging with a retro BBS-like web app with a text first interface with a multi-threaded Nim server + sqlite. I'm sure something exists already but it'd more for my own tinkering. No containers, no async, no javascript libraries. Just a small 4MB binary and FreeBSD. This posts encourages me on the FreeBSD route!
> have far less bloat than Linux distros and better latency<p>I think this has always been the norm from what I remember. That said, Arch Linux, KISS, Void, etc. are minimal enough, IMO.
For Linux this will vary between distributions and configurations. For example, based on some testing I did today using mkosi [1] (for reasons unrelated to this discussion), a bare-bones Fedora 43 installation uses about 130 MiB of RAM, while a Debian installation uses a little more than 100 MiB.<p>IIRC last time I tried a bare-bones FreeBSD installation it used about the same amount of memory, maybe a little more based on how ZFS is set up.<p>[1]: <a href="https://github.com/systemd/mkosi" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/systemd/mkosi</a>
ZFS will happilly (and intentionally) gobble up available RAM for ARC. On my 64GB system, ARC is using 42.4GB, but this memory is quickly reclaimable if it's needed. That said, I had very bad experiences trying to run ZFS on an underprovisioned system.
I somehow remember Linux using half the resources it does today, 20 years ago. It occurs to me now for the first time, that this might be due to the switch to x64.<p>That's probably not the only reason but it bothers me that I never considered that before! I remember at some point it used twice as much RAM for basically the same thing, and I remember being bothered by that.<p>But I guess what you get in exchange for that is the ability to put in basically unlimited RAM.
It's just the price of progress. When I started playing with Linux, a full fledged Linux desktop with web browser and all ran very happily on a machine with 16 megabytes of RAM. At the time, there were distributions that fit on a floppy disk.<p>Both are more or less impossible now, but I don't think we should think of 100mb of "background state" as bloated. The fact that your can get a lot of useful stuff done on Linux in under 512mb in 2026 while Windows and Mac need multiple GB just to get out of bed is pretty awesome.
Unbloated distros exist, Alpine is one example. I was taken aback how snappy it is. Does everything without any undue delay. Merely logging in via SSH feels quicker as you don't have to wait a second for the prompt like on Ubuntu. apk is also super fast.
Alpine is really good for servers.<p>Man I love alpine even though I don't use it so much but alpine does hold a special place in my heart for some reason (and i think the reasons are good)<p>Tinycore is another one which holds a special place in my heart, partially because its the most no BS simple alpine-like os that I have seen which is rather focused on the consumer side, so you can get GUI systems super quickly and minimalist.<p>The minimalist tinycore iso with gui and terminals ran on 21-40 MB :) let that sink in<p>They showed as 0.0% or 0.1% on my 8 gig computer.<p>I used tinycore to take my really old laptop which my brother used to game on mostly and was super dead, it was a dell mini pc with intel atom 1 gig of ram 32 bit, probably 10-15 years old<p>I ran tinycore on it with no problem and ended up with wifi access and then even ran modern firefox browser and ended up even running a website like <a href="https://pomodorokitty.com/" rel="nofollow">https://pomodorokitty.com/</a> on it<p>Man,do i love them both.<p>I genuinely just wanted to create a service which could just boot tinycore gui servers in the browser perhaps via novnc for people to play with but I seriously wondered who might pay for the project<p>Oh btw oops forget that you can already do that by just downloading the iso of tinycore and then going to copy.sh/v86<p>In fact that inspired me to create the project but one of the issues of copy.sh/v86 is that its ephemeral and runs directly in your browser so if you close it whereas I thought of having a mini-server-like tinycore where I can get a gui mini server and can quickly open/close it with terminal and even heck modern browsers.<p>Everyone should try out tinycore just once imo. The simplicity of 21 MB is mind boggling to me. Makes one really wonder what bloat really is I suppose, definitely a fun experience.<p>Oh also I love alpine because I ran it in my phone using UserLand and I loved it although running python in alpine was a bit of mess on my phone and I think I ended up doing some wizard magic or something using g-compat in the end as well to run it. Although I think termux is pretty good and even better than UserLand in this context because UserLand runs emulated where Termux doesn't I guess but not sure.
If you liked tinycore check this one
<a href="https://smolbsd.org/" rel="nofollow">https://smolbsd.org/</a>
Alpine is also pretty good as a desktop OS; I've got a desktop and laptop on Alpine, and another laptop on postmarketos (Alpine derivative).
Interesting, I had looked at postmarketos but it was too bloated for me perhaps the last time I looked as compared to tinycore which was truly super minimalist<p>Like is there a way to get postmarketos with something like jwm or anything small perhaps? I would love to give alpine desktop a try, I think I did the disservice of not trying it enough then if you mention this
True Alpine is pretty snappy. I don't like using it as muslc has given me headaches before. Arch is faster generally too but not as much. Maybe there's something with systemd stuff.
The BSD utils are always much nicer to read than the GNU ones when you want to understand what's going on, there's no competition.<p>I do prefer the GNU style licensing model & popularity but for the code itself, I prefer the BSD ones.
> retro BBS-like web app<p>You mean like oldschool dialup BBSes, or a forum-style "Bulletin Board"? If the latter, take a look at FlaskBB :-)
Thank you!
Enjoyable read. I wish I'd paid more attention to the *BSDs when I was younger because I'm set in my Linux ways now and simply cannot find it in myself to try them. The ZFS plus jails support seems to have been the low friction way that he managed things here.<p>I use podman, but I haven't ever tried ZFS on Linux, instead just relying on an LVM of the drives. I will remedy at least that last error soon since I want to set up a personal archiver and you can't realistically do timelines without the deduplication that ZFS gives.
I’m doing a similar thing with open-meteo for surf forecasts (for myself primarily)<p>Only one region, but could quite easily expand. It takes the open-meteo ocean data and combines it with some short and long range weather. Then run a preprocessed refined version of that through an LLM to turn it from quantitative into qualitative. It basically does what I would do in my head.<p>If you have any ideas, please let me know<p><a href="https://surfrash.xyz/" rel="nofollow">https://surfrash.xyz/</a>
> German provider with 4 shared cores, 4GB of RAM, 120GB of SSD disk space, and a 1Gbit/sec internet connection<p>Where on earth did he find €4 VPS with these specs. For example Hetzner's cheapest VPS has 2 shared vCPU, 4 GB RAM, 40 GB NVME SSD.<p>The cheapest I found is <a href="https://contabo.com/en/vps/" rel="nofollow">https://contabo.com/en/vps/</a> but it still doesn't have 1 gb/s connection with that price.<p>Edit: typo
<a href="https://www.lowendbox.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.lowendbox.com/</a> is a popular source.
I came here to fight you but there are some low end boxes with lots of ram and disk for pretty cheap!<p>Found this as an example: <a href="https://lowendbox.com/blog/black-friday-bytehosting-is-here-with-big-ram-vps-systems-at-cheap-prices/" rel="nofollow">https://lowendbox.com/blog/black-friday-bytehosting-is-here-...</a>
The bytehosting deal is good too! Oh btw lowendbox has a forum called lowendtalk where hosting providers etc. talk as well and show deals etc. and I got part of the community (you need to register and be verified manually but it wasn't hard)<p>Lowendbox is amazing. Glad we are talking about it as I recently joined it and the community's really supportive and honestly feels more so in the sharing spirit and I even talked about why people use lowendhosts etc. and got some pretty good answers imo<p>Although do be beware to stay away as there are some hosters which end up going completely down. So go with someone reputable as well and there is whole lore beneath in this forum :)<p>Racknerd,dedirock are usually recommended, I recommend <a href="https://serverdeals.cc/" rel="nofollow">https://serverdeals.cc/</a> etc. I have a list which I can recommend after being in the community for some time and here's some websites which I recommend for suggestions<p><a href="https://serverdeals.cc/" rel="nofollow">https://serverdeals.cc/</a><p><a href="https://vpspricetracker.com/" rel="nofollow">https://vpspricetracker.com/</a><p><a href="https://getdeploying.com/" rel="nofollow">https://getdeploying.com/</a><p>Honestly I still recommend hetzner tho because these are some really really good deals but hetzner just has this reputation of more stability and I jsut have more faith in hetzner and its a "good enough" option imo and there are even some lowendhosts who kind of do share the fact that hetzner is very price competitive.<p>I personally had gotten a 2$/month 1TB vps hosting (yeah didn't really end up using it much aside from the shock factor/running yabs on it)<p>and also I got a 3 month 8bucks deal with netcup using their vouchers and everything to get 8 gigs of ram 4vcpus etc and honestly this was the best deal I ever saw but I will have to pay 5 bucks I guess after the 3 months end.<p>Most of it is remaining idle tho :< Are there any services I can run for the benefit of humanity (like running some self hosted services that can help anybody out there or smth?)<p>Let me know if you have any questions! I might be able to help you as I was active on lowendtalk till quite recently
I'm on Hetzner as well; migrated from DigitalOcean. They are stable, but they got a bit of bad reputation, since they were hacked at least 2 times already [0] [1]. Stable != Secure.<p>0 - <a href="https://www.heise.de/news/Hetzner-gehackt-Kundendaten-kopiert-1884180.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.heise.de/news/Hetzner-gehackt-Kundendaten-kopier...</a><p>1 - <a href="https://www.zdnet.com/article/hackers-breach-web-hosting-provider-for-the-second-time-in-the-past-year" rel="nofollow">https://www.zdnet.com/article/hackers-breach-web-hosting-pro...</a><p>edit: links
How did these came to existence? Most of these offerings look basically identical. Is it ran by the same guy behind, or is it like a get rich quick network business stuff?
Some of these are resellers. Big provider sells them a package of 10-1000 VPSs and they set up websites to sell them to you. But you can also find lots of direct deals as well. BuyVM famously has their $15/year deal on a 1GB VPS. You can also often find dedicated servers for like $25/month. I recently bought a $75 lifetime deal on some email hosting for up to 25 domains and I think 250GB storage. Great for some secondary domains and such that I use. There are some real gems out there and you should see their Black Friday threads. Kind of a wild place.
LowEndBox is as old as HN and has been doing VPS deals before the cloud took over. There are also deals offering for VPN services as well.
There's some commercial software to sell/resell VPS, etc that some of these outfits use.<p>And it's pretty much a commodity business, so things are going to tend to look similar. If you're buying $5/month VPS, you don't want to pay for a lot of fluff. A lot of these are small time local hosters in a single location, but that's usually all you need for a small site.
To be honest there is one instance that i know of where what ends up happening is that colocrossing a major vps provider does end up doing something like this (they used to be hosters/owners???? of lowendtalk/lowendbox)<p>Now another aspect is that the hosting economy is very mutual, they all start out somewhere and they are usually friendly towards each other. Most Hosting providers start out by either using reseller service directly or by colocating or by reselling dedicated servers which can be themselves of other providers<p>I don't know but the community is both cut throat and chill at the same time. It's strange to point this phenomenon but I think my point of their friendliness is something which depends and I don't know much about it but I once asked people on lowendtalk if I wanted to create a cloud provider myself and I got some responses and they were friendly so I am basing it off of that<p>Another aspect is that the market has already raced to the bottom super hard. Hetzner/OVH are really cheap, so to get even cheaper, you kinda have to be in the same pricing range I guess<p>Fun or not so fun fact but do you know that there have been cases of lowendbox providers to actually go shut down because they take these completely no profitable sense deal and actually lose money sometimes. VeloxMedia is a recent example of that and there is still controversy surrounding it.<p>There is also the fact that the scam industry in this department works as such:<p>Rent a really big server with lots of cores for a few months<p>Sell them unreasonably in LET for the year pricing or more<p>Then sell the company/be unable to provide/etc.<p>these I think are called as deadpools in the community.<p>Also regarding your comment behind same guy, there are sometimes family relations between people<p>as an example, racknerd I think is owned by the stepson of the owner of colocrossing and they I think using colocrossing themselves.<p>These have their own little drama stories and I think this is just the tip of iceberg as I just joined recently and probably digging through old archives.
Wow, this is amazing. Tempted to try one of their $2/month suggestions.
A random provider could be a hit-or-miss. I've personally used RackNerd (found them on LowEndBox/Talk) in the past and can't complain for the price. They have plans under $1/month, and they even provide an IPv4 address:<p><a href="https://www.racknerd.com/BlackFriday/" rel="nofollow">https://www.racknerd.com/BlackFriday/</a><p>No affiliation, just a happy customer.
I had wildly varying experiences with companies i found on lowendbox.com<p>Some were fine, some offered a very good yearly plan but vanished after three weeks.<p>So yeah… people should keep that in mind.
this: <a href="https://www.netcup.com/de/server/vps/vps-500-g11s" rel="nofollow">https://www.netcup.com/de/server/vps/vps-500-g11s</a>
Be careful when comparing core counts across providers. Those ultra cheap providers are using servers that can be many generations old. They might also be heavily oversubscribed. 4 vCPU on one of the cheap providers could be slower than 2 vCPU or even 1 vCPU on a newer generation server. You really have to test or look at benchmarks.<p>If you have a RAM-constrained application where CPU and RAM speed are less of a priority, they can be great deals though.
Oracle Cloud gives you 4 oCPU (ARM), 24GB ram, 4Gb/s (10TB), 200GB NVMe SSD for free.<p>Although some people say it is difficult to get an instance nowadays. But it worked for me and I've been using it for more than 2 years now. Some say that free tier users sometimes get booted, that's why one should upgrade to a paid account.
The registration process is so cumbersome and annoying that I gave up. At that moment we were in contact with Oracle for a business contract at work, the horrible sign-up process, increasing CDS (Credit Default Swap) spread and risky AI investments made me decide to cancel the POC.<p>If your sign-up tier is so frustrating to use that you loss sales and you cannot fix it as a company, that doesn't inspire confidence in the rest of the infrastructure...
I have one for testing arm64 stuff on Gentoo. Worst signup I’ve ever had with a company.<p>Once I got account I could not spin up server until converting my account to paid. They’ve never charged a fee but they won’t let you use ‘always free’ instances in busy regions until you convert to a paid account.
buyvm used to have one (not with those specs) for like $5 a year with 256 MB I used to love buying one or two of those for simple stuff.
I am also of a similar belief but I recently found exe.dev on hackernews and I am kind of play-testing with it and the dev seems active on hackernews and on the discord so I am definitely giving it a go<p>Gullos Hosting which has 128 Mb server for 3.5$/yearly and also for $4.49 you can still get a 256mb server from C-servers and $5.50 from byteVirt.<p>But also, there is fact that one can probably just buy hetzner servers or upcloud servers or similar idk. I will probably try to get some free services and then transition to hetzner/upcloud/netcup when my project needs more scalability/is shown to be of valuable to the general public/interests regarding it.<p>Honestly I got a 8 gig netcup server for 5$ and so I got it out of their limited deals section but I am thinking of just holding it and probably gonna use it extremely because with the rising prices etc., I think its good enough too as well<p>I just love yapping about server prices and comparing them etc. I think I just love a good deal lol.
> Gullos Hosting which has 128 Mb server for 3.5$/yearly and also for $4.49 you can still get a 256mb server from C-servers and $5.50 from byteVirt.<p>I can't recommend Gullo's. I experienced near-constant network issues with my NAT VPS (in Poland, I think?), making it so unusable that I just let it idle until it expired. I should've spent the money on a 6 pack of beer instead, it is what it is.
> now is a 4 euro per month VPS in Milano, Italy - 4 shared cores, 8 GB RAM and 75GB disk space.<p>He didn't - he found a better specced one in Italy for that price
there's €1 and €2 VPS too: <a href="https://www.strato.nl/server/vps-linux/" rel="nofollow">https://www.strato.nl/server/vps-linux/</a> (not sure what the quality is but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
Lovely to see someone building something that doesn't require Kubernetes over 4 AWS AZs, DynamoDB, S3, Lambda etc etc.
IIRC, HN itself runs on modest hardware as well (just 4-cores, also FreeBSD).<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28479595">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28479595</a>
> 2 package(s) x 4 core(s) x 2 hardware threads<p>Its not 4 , but 16 'cores'
2 packages = dual cpus on the same motherboard.
To be fair, that is 4 dedicated cores not shared with other tenants.
I once had an idea of buying the domain "freeofcharge.org", where people could put useful services that fit into RAM onto subdomains, meaning services that cost them only ~10$ per month, which they pay out of their own pockets.
4 euro servers are good.<p>I got a similar specced server for around 5$ I guess but it has 400 gigs of storage or 500 and I think all around it might be worth it.<p>But to be fair it was a deal for 3 months for 8$ with vouchers and everything and Its only been a month but after the 3 months, I would have to pay 5$/5Euros but I think it might be worth it, not sure but there is definitely this power of not leaving once you have started to own a vps or similar, that pull is definitely real :)<p>OVH is good company too, one of the cheapest overall in the markets. Some people themselves resell OVH servers or white-sell it, they are chill in this manner<p>I think one of the benefits of OVH is its unlimited egress policy. Upcloud and OVH are the only two which offer something similar I suppose and I think OVH is on the more cheaper side but Upcloud support team did feel phenomenal to me (I wish I was sponsored by them)<p>Pro tip but I have heard from people to talk to OVH through their twitter. I don't use twitter but yeah, also another idea for support could be to join their discord too, I think one of the core people once answered my simple question there (how to run docker in ovh servers/automate it) but they didn't answer some other question regarding the tos of ovh or similar which I can admit could be not sure if we should ask a developer about such things idk but overall all of these are pretty good options to pick!<p>There is just something fun about optimizing about server prices and support and just this grid-like optimization that takes place in your head when you are interested in things like this.
"I would pay close attention to accessibility: forecasts would be in local languages..." There are many situations where somebody is interesting about the local weather but not speaking the local language. Why overwrite the users preferred language from the browser?
It doesn't. You can Always translate the text in your favourite language.
The project aims to send the forecasts to the users, so can't be multilingual.
Anyway, that's the reason why there are the emojis. Those ones are international.
Amazing project I understand why FediFollows helped it get more visibility <a href="https://social.growyourown.services/@FediFollows/115651419364741607" rel="nofollow">https://social.growyourown.services/@FediFollows/11565141936...</a>
I want to do something similar, not for fediverse or anything, but an easy way to get a pretty html and/or markdown version of any current special weather statement(s) for any zip code/area/city etc.
great write up and breakdown of the project. you can do a lot with a small VPS
Aw man. Great write-up and implementation of an exact thing I've started to build myself, except I was build it stateless on Cloudflare Workers. Love this!
Such a cool project. Thanks for building it. Amazing what one can do with a tiny VPS.
Very cool! And TIL about snac. It’s fascinating how tiny and practical fediverse/ActivityPub components can be. Truly brilliant design and architecture. Thanks for sharing!
Awesome project! I’ve always dreamed of making my own weather service so this is a great inspiration.
Ooh just what I needed, thanks!
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