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  • Fiveplus5 hours ago
    This could be a huge deal for anyone working on video codecs or display tech. Finding legally clear, high-quality, uncompressed (or mezzanine) 4K HDR footage to test encoders against is surprisingly difficult. Most test footage you find online has already been stomped on by YouTube or Meta compression.<p>Having the raw EXR sequences and the IMF packages for Sol Levante and Meridian means researchers can finally benchmark AV1 vs HEVC vs VVC using source material that actually has the dynamic range to show the differences. The fact that they included the Dolby vision metadata is the cherry on top.
    • Uehreka5 hours ago
      Don’t most camera manufacturers (like ARRI and BlackMagic) have test footage for their raw and&#x2F;or log formats on their websites? Here’s ARRI’s (which includes ProRes in addition to their proprietary formats) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.arri.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;learn-help&#x2F;learn-help-camera-system&#x2F;camera-sample-footage-reference-image" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.arri.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;learn-help&#x2F;learn-help-camera-system&#x2F;...</a>
      • randall4 hours ago
        yeah but distributing them is probably not just “oh it’s open source!”
        • otterley3 hours ago
          These are motion pictures, not software. “Open source” is about the latter.
          • clbn3 hours ago
            But... you&#x27;ll see Netflix calls it &quot;OPEN SOURCE CONTENT&quot; if you click the link.
            • otterley3 hours ago
              You are right! At least the link title got it right.
          • nipponese2 hours ago
            I believe open source is about the law. Software is one way it can be applied.
            • otterley1 hour ago
              IAAL (but this is not legal advice).<p>Anyone can freely license a work to the public, and copyright holders were doing that long before modern computers were invented.<p>“Open source” (other than, say, in the context of open water sources or intelligence or journalistic sources, where it was rarely used) as a descriptive term did not enter the common lexicon until 1998 and that was specifically to refer to software source code.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opensource.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;18&#x2F;2&#x2F;coining-term-open-source-software" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opensource.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;18&#x2F;2&#x2F;coining-term-open-source...</a>
              • scott_w22 minutes ago
                You’re correct but words and phrases can evolve in their meaning over time. If the licensing terms for this are analogous to open source software licensing terms then calling it “open source media” is pretty reasonable.
    • jwr3 hours ago
      I used to work at a company developing an independent H.264 decoder implementation. We would have <i>killed</i> for this kind of source content, especially if the license allowed showing it at trade shows.
  • 332451b5 hours ago
    More recent content from Netflix is part of the ASWF Digital Production Example Library. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dpel.aswf.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dpel.aswf.io&#x2F;</a>
  • _flux8 hours ago
    Funny how how all the links, including the ones to their own pages, are routed through google.com&#x2F;url, e.g. the link &quot;Assets Available to Download&quot;. Usually tracking isn&#x27;t quite this visible.
    • reddalo6 hours ago
      It&#x27;s because their blog is hosted on blogger.com (yeah, weird decision), which is owned by Google and does that by default.
      • XCSme3 hours ago
        I also have a blogger.com blog.<p>Why? Because I had it for 20+ years, and I still didn&#x27;t find an easy way to automatically migrate it to WordPress.
        • wijwp2 hours ago
          You&#x27;re also presumably not a $400m+ company, which makes it more intestesting.
          • yunnpp1 hour ago
            I assure you no amount of capital trivializes the endeavour of migrating to&#x2F;from Wordpress.<p>GP speaks wisdom.
          • XCSme2 hours ago
            My point was that it&#x27;s not trivial to migrate away from blogger.
    • philsnow1 hour ago
      The ios gmail app does the same thing, but why? I would assume the app could just transparently relay the click through its already-open grpc channel to google&#x27;s servers, and it would be faster for them and (more importantly) for me.
    • afandian8 hours ago
      It is very odd. I don’t see a good reason, not even tracking.
      • jmathai6 hours ago
        Aren&#x27;t those just the URLs in google search results if you copy from the results page instead of clicking through to the destination?
        • esrauch5 hours ago
          The reason for the intermediary is because the clickthrough sends the previous URL as a referer to the next server.<p>The only real way to avoid leaking specific urls from the source page to the arbitrary other server is to have an intermediary redirect like this.<p>All the big products put an intermediary for that reason, though many of them make it a user visible page of that says &quot;you are leaving our product&quot; versus Google mostly does it as an immediate redirect.<p>The copy&#x2F;paste behavior is mostly an unfortunate side effect and not a deliberate feature of it.
          • afandian5 hours ago
            I don&#x27;t understand. They are redirecting to their own S3 bucket, so who would be the recipient of the leak?<p>Also, isn&#x27;t this what Referrer-Policy is for? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;docs&#x2F;Web&#x2F;HTTP&#x2F;Reference&#x2F;Headers&#x2F;Referrer-Policy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;docs&#x2F;Web&#x2F;HTTP&#x2F;Reference&#x2F;...</a>
            • giancarlostoro4 hours ago
              Quoting web standards, you are more optimistic than I am, unfortunately, nobody uses them consistently or accurately (look at PUT vs POST for create &#x2F; update as a really good example of this - nobody agrees) its a shame too, there&#x27;s a lot of richness to the web spec. Most people don&#x27;t even use &quot;HEAD&quot; to ensure they aren&#x27;t making wasteful REST calls if they already have the data.
              • afandian58 minutes ago
                I was replying to<p>&gt; All the big products put an intermediary for that reason<p>Surely whoever maintains the big products can add headers if they want?<p>And this is about people who care enough about not showing up in Referer headers to do something about it rather than people in general not understanding the full spec .
            • otterley3 hours ago
              Blogger predates the existence of this header by many years. Blogger, I believe, has also been in maintenance mode for many years.
              • Kye2 hours ago
                It sees periodic major updates to keep it in line with standards. That&#x27;s not much more than maintenance mode, but it&#x27;s more than just keeping the servers running. It seems like someone at Google pays attention to it and keeps it from falling behind, but I suspect the same was true of Google Reader until it wasn&#x27;t.
                • reddalo1 hour ago
                  &gt;someone at Google pays attention to it and keeps it from falling behind<p>I feel like it&#x27;s the same for Google My Maps. They even discontinued the Android app, so you can only use it on the web. It totally feels like there&#x27;s a single guy keeping the whole system up.
        • lionkor3 hours ago
          Not if you use the ClearURLs addon ;)
    • cfn4 hours ago
      And when I click them I get a page with &quot;Did you mean netflix.com? The site you just tried to visit looks fake. Attackers sometimes mimic sites by making small, hard-to-see changes to the URL.&quot; which then sends me to the Netfçix home page. Chrome on MacOS.
      • bstsb3 hours ago
        it&#x27;s because their s3 bucket is called &quot;download.opencontent.netflix.com.s3.amazonaws.com&quot;. the subdomain makes chrome think it&#x27;s pretending to be &quot;netflix.com&quot;
        • IggleSniggle2 hours ago
          But they said it sends them to Netfçix? That seems incorrect
      • giancarlostoro4 hours ago
        ...how is that even possible?
  • HelloUsername9 hours ago
    (2022)?<p>(Or earlier? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25801075">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25801075</a>)
    • pwdisswordfishy2 hours ago
      &lt;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;netflixtechblog.com&#x2F;engineers-making-movies-aka-open-source-test-content-f21363ea3781" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;netflixtechblog.com&#x2F;engineers-making-movies-aka-open...</a>&gt; (2018)
  • carschno9 hours ago
    The last addition was made in 2020.
  • jcattle7 hours ago
    I was curious about this recently. I was wondering about open files of well known artists.<p>Unlike netflix&#x2F;YouTube its not immediately clear to me which Organisation would spearhead something like this out of their own interesting. Closest I know of is the MuseGroup, which are doing this &quot;growing of the pie&quot; with open source music creation Software.<p>Anyone know of something else?
  • ysangkok2 hours ago
    How do I play back the EBU STL subtitles on Linux?<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;download.opencontent.netflix.com.s3.amazonaws.com&#x2F;index.html?prefix=ElFuente&#x2F;subtitles&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;download.opencontent.netflix.com.s3.amazonaws.com&#x2F;ind...</a>
    • Ndeshpande2 hours ago
      Closed Caption Creator has a desktop version of Linux that can read EBU-STL files.
  • 0xbrayo4 hours ago
    34gb for a 5min short film, crazy. High fidelity though
    • ronsor3 hours ago
      Not that crazy. The cost of storing the film—even 2 hour features—is dwarfed by the rest of the production costs. You can afford a dedicated HDD when you&#x27;re done.
      • stavros3 hours ago
        Well, hopefully two.
      • echelon3 hours ago
        This will at some point in the future invert.<p>The cost to generate a future kind of film from some template (script, characters, art choices, etc in some kind of source file) won&#x27;t be much more than the cost to store it.<p>When this happens, perhaps we will cache the results but later dump them. Assuming storage costs don&#x27;t drop faster and more significantly.<p>Maybe 30 years?<p>Edit: Lots of downvotes. I&#x27;m a filmmaker, I&#x27;ve made lots of photons-on-glass films. Most of us are experimenting with this tech and aren&#x27;t thumbing our noses at it like people outside our industry. We don&#x27;t really have a choice but to adapt, and I find it funny that casual observers on the outside are so morally opposed. It&#x27;s actually an incredible tool for pitching and has utility for some SFX, compositing, and B-roll shots today. It&#x27;s really going to help mid market and below, for films that don&#x27;t have Disney budgets.
        • hamdingers2 hours ago
          If this (tragic, dystopian, abominable) future comes to pass, why would we store movies at all?<p>Just distribute the prompt and I&#x27;ll generate my own movie on the fly, with my own tweaks of course.
          • echelon1 hour ago
            It&#x27;s funny to me that I work in film and have more hope and imagination over the use of this technology than people who (presumably) don&#x27;t make films at all.<p>As long as humans have dreams it won&#x27;t be like that. The human spirit and desire to connect to others and tell stories doesn&#x27;t just suddenly die.<p>I think the very best lens to look at it is that all of the tens of thousands of kids that go through film school and never get to bring their VFX-heavy fantasy to life now suddenly have voice to match their ambition.
            • CamperBob21 hour ago
              The downvotes are a <i>good</i> sign. If AI didn&#x27;t promise massive artistic disruption -- the sort that threatens to put real creative power into the hands of outsiders -- no one would object.<p>Look at the history of photography itself to see an example. &quot;But... but... but my portrait-painting skills will be obsolete! Somebody do something. Waaah.&quot;
        • CamperBob21 hour ago
          The thing about the ludds is that as a rule, they don&#x27;t understand that their perceived enemies are threatening to make their lives <i>better</i>.<p>They can be safely ignored... at least here, and at least for now.
  • caseyf72 hours ago
    I would like to see them give us an option to turn HDR off. In some situations it is just too bright and in others too dark.
    • ComputerGuru2 hours ago
      I’m still rocking a plasma tv which sidesteps the matter altogether :)<p>Best tv tech to date, though OLED improvements in the past year mean we might see good panels hitting the market in a few years. The race to produce the brightest panels (and putting them on display for comparison and testing in brightly lit electronics stores in environments that couldn’t be further from the actual viewing experience) resulted in a bunch of mass market crap.
      • timc39 minutes ago
        Took down my Pioneer Kuro a couple of weeks ago. OLED is so good now.<p>Agree with the in store crap and all the processing that’s turned on for the TVs on display. But brightness is useful - can help combat ambient light, and HDR can look amazing.
      • Lord-Jobo2 hours ago
        Newish QD oled finally hit that threshold of upgrading for me. Plasma definitely had a hell of a run though.
    • floydnoel2 hours ago
      Wouldn’t that be handled on your TV and&#x2F;or streaming box? That’s how I control it, at least.
      • caseyf72 hours ago
        Unfortunately iPads also don’t allow you to turn off HDR
        • swiftcoder1 hour ago
          For a long time putting them in low power mode killed HDR, but it seems they patched that bug (feature)
  • everlier5 hours ago
    Is this for some sort of a formal compliance or being able to point out &quot;we host things free of charge too?
    • bwilliams185 hours ago
      It&#x27;s all technical test footage used to test their media pipelines – presumably, they&#x27;re sharing it to create industry standards, particularly for partner and open-source library implementations.
    • ahartmetz5 hours ago
      It costs them little and what&#x27;s in it for them is better codecs -&gt; lower bandwidth expenses. Interests are aligned with the public, it&#x27;s fine.
  • FunnyLookinHat7 hours ago
    Anyone else surprised that the download links are plain HTTP without SSL? I know it&#x27;s a page that in the past I would have typically not worried about securing - but nowadays it&#x27;s SSL everything or else your browser yells at you.
    • maxmcd3 hours ago
      Quite surprising. It does seem like you can get an https download with<p><pre><code> aws s3 cp --no-sign-request s3:&#x2F;&#x2F;download.opencontent.netflix.com&#x2F;sparks&#x2F;creative-commons-attribution-4-intl-public-license.txt . </code></pre> Which is hitting the bucket path route at: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s3.amazonaws.com&#x2F;download.opencontent.netflix.com&#x2F;sparks&#x2F;creative-commons-attribution-4-intl-public-license.txt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s3.amazonaws.com&#x2F;download.opencontent.netflix.com&#x2F;sp...</a><p>&quot;aws s3 ls&quot; similarly requests: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s3.amazonaws.com&#x2F;download.opencontent.netflix.com?list-type=2&amp;prefix=sparks%2F&amp;delimiter=%2F&amp;encoding-type=url" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s3.amazonaws.com&#x2F;download.opencontent.netflix.com?li...</a>
    • ronbenton7 hours ago
      Yeah, this is bad. The page almost seems like someone’s pet project that didn’t have any explicit funding and they got bored or left Netflix in 2020. I’m not sure how that would explain the lack of SSL cert except for just general lack of thoroughness.
      • reddalo6 hours ago
        &gt; The page almost seems like someone’s pet project that didn’t have any explicit funding<p>It probably is, given that it&#x27;s just a static page hosted on blogger.com
      • gregoryl6 hours ago
        From the names mentioned in the most recent blog post, they left late 2022.
    • uyzstvqs7 hours ago
      I&#x27;m surprised they didn&#x27;t use BitTorrent, with these HTTP links as web seeds. That&#x27;d make the most sense.
      • alex_duf6 hours ago
        Politically it would be an interesting choice for Netflix to encourage people to use their BitTorrent clients..<p>But technically, you&#x27;re right.
    • mrtksn7 hours ago
      The page look like zero effort given anyway, like one of the free templates you can find.
    • robingchan7 hours ago
      this is hosted on s3 which doesn&#x27;t support HTTPS, that said - if they used cloudfront in front of this bucket, they could save $$$ and have a SSL
      • 8organicbits7 hours ago
        S3 absolutely supports HTTPS. I think they set their bucket policy to forbid HTTPS. The whole thing is odd.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.aws.amazon.com&#x2F;AmazonS3&#x2F;latest&#x2F;userguide&#x2F;example-bucket-policies.html#example-bucket-policies-HTTP-HTTPS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.aws.amazon.com&#x2F;AmazonS3&#x2F;latest&#x2F;userguide&#x2F;exampl...</a>
        • robingchan3 hours ago
          so, isn’t this using the s3 static website hosting feature - (im assuming due to the dir listing) which i dont believe does support https
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    • FartyMcFarter8 hours ago
      They have downloadable files that you don&#x27;t need an account for.
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  • andrewstuart6 hours ago
    There’s basically zero innovation in online video.<p>Such a pity startups can’t innovate on the content stores of the big companies.
    • gibsonsmog6 hours ago
      It&#x27;s actually a regression overall compared to physical media like DVDs and Blurays. No director commentaries, no behind the scenes, no silly menu games, etc. Streaming would theoretically allow for tons of this type of content to be made and connected to a film at any time but instead we have this stagnant recreation of cable TV. C&#x27;est la vie
      • michaelbuckbee6 hours ago
        The lack of director commentaries and behind the scenes content on streaming has always baffled me as the rights to that must be much cheaper to acquire and would result in more minutes of streaming watched for less licensing money.
        • sbarre5 hours ago
          It&#x27;s telling that VFX subcontractors are putting out their own BTS content on YouTube now as promotional material, since the primary production companies for shows and films (with a few exceptions) have completely stopped doing this.<p>I miss director commentary, I loved re-watching movies with that audio track.<p>Is there just too much content now? Or has streaming become such a &quot;content mill&quot; that the creators aren&#x27;t inspired enough about their own work to sit down and talk about it after it&#x27;s complete?
          • lotsofpulp4 hours ago
            &gt; Is there just too much content now?<p>I would guess this is the reason. Before there was unlimited content or ways to entertain yourself on a screen, having additional content on a disc would have been a marketing point to make people feel like they’re getting more for their money.<p>But now, I doubt even 1 in 1,000 people would respond to that, since there is always something else that can be instantly switched to watching or playing, so why go through the effort?
        • wincy5 hours ago
          We’ve started watching Pluribus on Apple TV and it seems like when they’re making the show Apple contractually obligates them to make a podcast about each episode. Some of them are very interesting (like costume design) and some are less so.<p>It was funny how the sound engineers remoted in for the podcast and had extremely low quality mics, despite it being a show with fantastic sound (really it’s an excellent show in general, just really good).
          • filoleg2 hours ago
            I noticed the same with Severance (also Apple TV). After every episode, there is a short director commentary&#x2F;crew interviews about random episode specifics or more higher level thoughts.<p>I liked it quite a bit.
        • hamdingers2 hours ago
          DVD extras existed as an incentive for users to re-buy films they already had on VHS.<p>No such incentive is necessary with streaming, the format competes so well on convenience it doesn&#x27;t have to invest in extra content.
      • weslleyskah4 hours ago
        Exactly. And this is why a whole dimension of collecting rare footages is quite dead now. This is why piracy through these great public trackers still matters.<p>Rare movies and film documentaries from the 20th century still can be found on rutracker, for example. The Russians really did create a dedicated community of archivists, with the quality varying to a certain degree depending on the uploader&#x27;s reputation, but they certainly created a notorious collection of movies, even the ones relatively unknown or sometimes censored to death on western countries.
      • treesknees5 hours ago
        Disney+ has quite a bit of this actually. I agree though that overall most streaming services don’t offer this.
      • expedition325 hours ago
        DVDs were iirc 480p which would look absolutely terrible on a modern TV.
    • philipallstar6 hours ago
      &gt; There’s basically zero innovation in online video.<p>AV2 is coming out this year.<p>&gt; Such a pity startups can’t innovate on the content stores of the big companies.<p>What do you mean?
      • afavour6 hours ago
        Can’t speak for OP but personally I’m thinking of things like the ability to actually add new features. Like what Netflix did with the Bandersnatch episode of Black Mirror years ago. Online video is extremely locked down when compared to the web.
        • olyjohn4 hours ago
          Probably because there are over 9000 different TVs with their own proprietary apps on each one. So the easiest thing to do is just go with the lowest common denominator which is just giving you a menu to play a simple video.
          • afavour3 hours ago
            For sure. But something like Bandersnatch shows that it <i>is</i> technically possible. Not for all devices of course. But there could be some kind of open standard companies implement and startups innovate on. But no one with power has an interest in doing that.
      • walterbell5 hours ago
        20 years ago, it was possible to seamlessly merge video clips from multiple streaming RealPlayer servers into a single composite video stream, using a static XML text file (SMIL) distributed via HTTP, with optional HTML annotation and composition.<p>This is technically possible today but blocked by DRM and closed apps&#x2F;players. Innovation would be unlocked if 3rd party apps could create custom viewing experiences based on licensed and purchased content files downloaded locally, e.g. in your local Apple media library. The closed apps could then sherlock&#x2F;upstream UX improvements that prove broadly useful.
        • phantomathkg4 hours ago
          It is not blocked by DRM but different codec. Even if you have two MP4 files, but if they were encoded differently ffmpeg will still need to do some computation to join them.
          • walterbell3 hours ago
            Gapless playback with MSE would require identical encoding, which is likely more prevalent in the Apple catalog than the wild west of Youtube. Client-side transcode would require DRM cooperation.<p>For two video streams with different encodings, swapping between two media players + prefetch can give a close approximation of a continuous video stream.
      • ksec5 hours ago
        &gt;AV2 is coming out this year.<p>Which has less than 48 hours to go.
  • cooper_ganglia8 hours ago
    Cool! I&#x27;m looking forward to going through some of these, looks very interesting!
  • niceboy26 hours ago
    I love it just because squid game.
  • game_the0ry5 hours ago
    With all that $500K talent, you would think they could make a better looking website.