11 comments

  • Prcmaker47 minutes ago
    In an old job I spliced a lot of fibre for our research, got the hang of it and got pretty proficient.<p>My research shifted, and I start making sensors using fibre and similarly sized capillary tube. It all got cleaved, spliced to assemble, cleaved some more, spliced again, then polished to spec. Getting the he process down was a pain, but the results were super satisfying.
  • sathackr6 hours ago
    The hardest thing about splicing fiber is not splicing fiber(at least not anymore)<p>It&#x27;s cable management and routing to keep things from kinking and breaking while accounting for cable flexing, thermal expansion, and unforseen circumstances like another company lashing their cables to yours for vertical support.<p>All while maintaining future serviceability
    • summa_tech2 hours ago
      Can always go splice some PCF or PMF if you like to feel appreciated for your splicing. I swear I&#x27;d rather splice 100 SM fibers than 1 PMF.
    • vasco6 hours ago
      And avoiding the NSA submarine taps!
  • candiddevmike8 hours ago
    I was a fiber installer once upon a time in the 00s. A guy I worked with who was &quot;the splicer&quot; for our team and has years of experience using the little easy bake oven thing swore by going off the smell to know when it&#x27;s &quot;ready&quot;. Probably not the greatest thing for your health considering he did at least 10-12 of these a day.
    • bcrl7 hours ago
      The old manual tools were extremely slow. Modern fibre splicers mean that a dozen fibres can be spliced in maybe a bit more half an hour, although cable prep cam take a significant amount of time depending on the cable type, number of cables and splice closure. Even more if you&#x27;re using a ribbon splicer that fuses 12 fibres per burn.
    • Sesse__8 hours ago
      Modern fiber splicers are fully automatic, so you don&#x27;t need to smell :-) The only thing that&#x27;s still mostly by hand is the cutting (mostly stripping away the various layers of insulation).
      • duskwuff4 hours ago
        Modern fusion splicers are also shockingly cheap. You can get one for under $600.
        • Sesse__2 hours ago
          Yup, I have one from AliExpress :-) Only done ~50 splices or so, though, but works really well.
        • dboreham2 hours ago
          Plus tariff.
      • Hikikomori3 hours ago
        Even 20 years ago when i was learning they were automatic.
  • ndom919 hours ago
    This would be a perfect plugin for Netbox! (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;netbox-community&#x2F;netbox" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;netbox-community&#x2F;netbox</a>)
    • Already__Taken9 hours ago
      I&#x27;ve always had stuff like this turned down by Netbox, they argue they want to model the logical topology as a source to trust, not the physicality, but then they model rack U placement. I&#x27;m always puzzled by their stance.<p>Like you can&#x27;t model 1 cat5 split into two 100mb terminations, patch panels are kinda of hack, I think you can now but forever you couldn&#x27;t just swap a termination direction because logically why would you (but their UI gets messy when 44 are done A-B and the 45th B-A)<p>Anyway that&#x27;s thoughts as of maybe v2 or 3? Before the new UI when it was all jquery.
      • dfc5 hours ago
        Netbox project used to go on and on about the philosophical justifications for not including n-type connections or different types of LMR. But the most recent release notes that I read had a blurb about all the new coax cable types they are supporting. I understand having limited time but instead of saying &quot;no&quot; they always had to make lofty philosophical arguments. It&#x27;s weird.
        • Already__Taken33 minutes ago
          Honestly that&#x27;s fine I&#x27;m just glad I&#x27;m not crazy.
      • wkat42429 hours ago
        &gt; Like you can&#x27;t model 1 cat5 split into two 100mb terminations<p>Ugh I don&#x27;t really blame them there, that&#x27;s really a dirty hack. Sure I&#x27;ve done in a pinch but not for permanent stuff.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t call that professional network management. If you really wanna do it, just split the pairs over two patch ports IMO.
        • Already__Taken30 minutes ago
          Yeh it&#x27;s awful, but all of our CCTV was wired like this through patch panels with 24v&#x2F;48v power injectors. 2 cameras a cable. So that&#x27;s what I needed to document, because in reality I can&#x27;t book scaffolding and change rooftop cameras for a documentation tool.
        • bc569a80a344f9c8 hours ago
          One of the achievements in my career I’m lowkey proudest of is sneaking in the rewire of about 45,000 ports on a campus that were split pair after an explicit project to do so was shot down.
        • matt-p8 hours ago
          Of course, but a splitter in a PON network or a WDM device are perhaps better examples of things that are hacky to model. Multi-fibre cables and splices are another. Netbox is great for some simple applications, and it&#x27;s fantastic OSS, but in practice falls short for many use cases.
          • wkat42423 hours ago
            I understand, my cabling OCD got a bit triggered, sorry :)
        • toast04 hours ago
          &gt; Ugh I don&#x27;t really blame them there, that&#x27;s really a dirty hack.<p>I certainly wouldn&#x27;t do it today, but using two pair for a connection designed for two pair isn&#x27;t a dirty hack, it&#x27;s as designed.<p>Today, using 4 pair for 1G or more and a small switch on the host side to get more ports is probably a better plan.
          • wkat42423 hours ago
            Oh I wasn&#x27;t aware of this actually being an intended usecase. And yes like the other poster said, pairing it with a phone infrastructure was more common (in the days before these went all IP of course).<p>It was a bit of my OCD being triggered as well. I love neat cabling at work (at home it is chaos funnily enough).
      • pbh1018 hours ago
        Any links to PRs or discussions?
        • erinnh58 minutes ago
          Theres many.<p>Here is one Discussion&#x2F;issue that is currently annoying me again.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;netbox-community&#x2F;netbox&#x2F;discussions&#x2F;9515" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;netbox-community&#x2F;netbox&#x2F;discussions&#x2F;9515</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;netbox-community&#x2F;netbox&#x2F;issues&#x2F;20005" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;netbox-community&#x2F;netbox&#x2F;issues&#x2F;20005</a><p>Netbox is full of these kinds of things. Where people ask for stuff or even create PRs for it and the Maintainer of Netbox shoots it down because <i>reason</i>.
  • richvos5 hours ago
    This looks really nifty, matt. I might be in the minority here, but would you consider making a similar model for PBX‘s? I’m having the hardest time visualizing all of the phone lines I have to deal with. This could be a really nice tool.
  • eru3 hours ago
    What am I supposed to do?
  • dtgriscom8 hours ago
    Are fiber splices really only a 0.02dB drop? That only a 0.23% reduction in signal (if I have my math right). Impressive.
    • fsh7 hours ago
      Fiber splicers are marvels of technology. They align the fiber cores with sub-micrometer accuracy and produce just the right amount of heat and pressure to melt the ends together. They are also usually very rugged, fully automated, and surprisingly cheap (a few thousand euros). It is remarkable what is possible when the entire internet relies on a technology.
    • matt-p7 hours ago
      That is probably the very best case scenario, but possible yes. Typically you&#x27;d accept anything less than 0.1dB.
      • cycomanic6 hours ago
        I did my PhD on fibre lasers, 0.1 DB would have been considered a ver bad splice and I would have recut and respliced (if you have 1-10W in your cavity that 0.1 dB loss would risk burning and the fuse propagating through your cavity destroying everything in its path (as a side not look up Videos of fibre fuse, looks fascinating). In my experience 0.01-0.02 is much more typical than 0.1 dB loss.
        • matt-p5 hours ago
          I’m speaking mainly within the context of telecom field splicing - the numbers I mentioned are typical for that application in my experience. You’re only sending on the order of 5 mW down a fiber, so none of those high-power concerns apply. Obviously, different networks have different thresholds: if you’re building a greenfield, low-latency long-haul route, you want to minimize loss and it’s reasonable to spend the extra time and use higher-end equipment. For FTTH, with something like a 30 dB overall budget, nobody really cares whether a splice is 0.03 dB or 0.1 dB.
          • Hikikomori51 minutes ago
            You might accept a bad splice but you&#x27;d almost have to fuck it up on purpose with a decent automatic splicer.
  • maartenh8 hours ago
    Nice! You might want to fix your GitHub link in the footer though, it 404&#x27;s for me right now :)
    • matt-p8 hours ago
      Thanks! Sorry, looks like I made the repo private at some point I&#x27;ll take a look later but for now I&#x27;ve fixed the link.
  • kotaKat4 hours ago
    Are there a set of controls I&#x27;m missing? I&#x27;m confused on how to work with this.
    • matt-p4 hours ago
      Click a unused fibre and drag it to an empty &#x27;splice holder&#x27; then do the same on the other side. You can also use double tap on mobile I think.<p>Sorry! In practice manual usage is normally very rare, these are typically auto generated!
  • zwnow9 hours ago
    We were splicing some fiberglass in job training a few years back and it was honestly pretty cool! The website is also really nice, I remember seeing the color codes on the splicing machine. Mesmerizing piece of technology.
    • matt-p9 hours ago
      Definitely mesmerising the first time! We have ribbon fibre these days as well which is very cool too.<p>Thank you :)