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  • q3k55 days ago
    &gt; $272 monthly + GPU cost<p>Imagine paying $250+&#x2F;mo for 32GB of RAM and 4 VCPUs. No wonder Amazon is swimming in cash, the markup on this is bonkers.
    • anko55 days ago
      100% this, i&#x27;ve been finding metal is getting very compelling against aws. For example latitude has 4 real cores and 32 GB of ram for $92&#x2F;month.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.latitude.sh&#x2F;pricing&#x2F;c2-small-x86?gen=gen-2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.latitude.sh&#x2F;pricing&#x2F;c2-small-x86?gen=gen-2</a><p>hetzner doesn&#x27;t even have specs this low from what i can tell!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hetzner.com&#x2F;dedicated-rootserver&#x2F;#cores_threads_to=6%2B12&amp;ram_to=64" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hetzner.com&#x2F;dedicated-rootserver&#x2F;#cores_threads_...</a>
      • q3k55 days ago
        It has a VM with 32GB RAM and 4x the cores for 1&#x2F;10th of the price: 25eur&#x2F;mo. Effectively even lower because it has 20TB of included traffic, and the overage cost for it is ~1&#x2F;10th of the AWS egress cost.<p>Or, for 184eur&#x2F;mo you can get one of their bare metal GPU offerings with 64GB of RAM, a i5-13500 and an RTX4000.
    • paulddraper55 days ago
      + 3.75 TB NVMe<p>And that’s the per second pricing applied 24&#x2F;7 for a month. A year commitment takes 30% off.<p>Still a big markup, but a lot of these comparisons are the the on demand instant on&#x2F;off price.
  • nwellinghoff60 days ago
    Too bad aws does not support any of these other vector extensions in managed rds.
  • ayende55 days ago
    That suffer from a serious issue<p>You must have the data upfront, you cannot build this in an incremental fashion<p>There is also bo mention on how this would handle updates, and from the description, even if updates are possible, this will degrade over time, requiring new indexing batch
  • esafak55 days ago
    How does it compare with paradedb and lancedb?
  • duckbot300060 days ago
    Kinda makes you wonder why you need cloud for anything besides remote encrypted backups if you can run all that on 12GB
    • Nextgrid55 days ago
      You don&#x27;t, but business executives aren&#x27;t the kind to easily admit they got conned - and if they&#x27;re getting close to that stage, a nice dinner or golfing session paid by the vendor&#x27;s representative generally alleviates those feelings very well.<p>Engineers who started their career during the cloud craze and don&#x27;t know anything else are also not the kind to rock the boat, lest the cash cow dies and their whole &quot;investment&quot; in their career becomes useless.
    • riku_iki59 days ago
      what about failover story if server dies? PG failover setup is complicated, and cloud infra handles this for you.
      • logifail55 days ago
        (Genuine question) What&#x27;s your current plan for when your cloud provider goes offline? Do you have a failover story, or it a case of &quot;wait for them to come back online&quot;?
        • riku_iki55 days ago
          I have backups on different cloud provider, so I could bootstrap db if provider goes dark indefinitely.<p>But realistically, I believe major clouds (google, aws) likely has more robust org and infra for recovery than I can built and maintain.
      • positron2655 days ago
        Do we mean managed or PG on K8s like CNPG? In all cases, I use the infra to simplify things like having disk redundancy and failover nodes, not because 12GB is interesting.
        • riku_iki55 days ago
          Primary managed PG, since you still need setup&#x2F;maintenance&#x2F;monitoring on your K8S own solution.
          • positron2655 days ago
            You guys are doing monitoring? ;-)
      • tjwebbnorfolk55 days ago
        What are you willing to pay for cloud-native failover?<p>Not every use case requires 100% uptime
        • riku_iki55 days ago
          Sure, but those who require (99% of major businesses) are ready to pay.
          • Nextgrid55 days ago
            Is that why most of them go down every time a single provider or even region goes down?<p><i>Actual</i> active-active HA of your datastores is really hard to do (CAP theorem and all that). The majority of companies don&#x27;t do it.
            • riku_iki54 days ago
              PG doesn&#x27;t have active-active. Solution is to have multizone failover with replication.
      • benjiro55 days ago
        <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;multigres&#x2F;multigres" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;multigres&#x2F;multigres</a> ... when its complete. From the guy that made Vitess for Mysql.<p>And yes, i agree, the PG failover setup (and especially dealing with a failure afterwards, to restore the ex-master is beyond infuriating).<p>But its not pay 10x the amount, while eating easily 10x performance infuriating :)
    • setr60 days ago
      Because getting any hardware out of infra-team on premise is utterly miserable, across the board.
      • lelanthran55 days ago
        That&#x27;s not the only alternative.<p>Rent your VPS and add in extra volumes for like $10 per 100GB.
        • Imustaskforhelp55 days ago
          Funny thing but netcup has $10 per 1 TB<p>Netcup is under-rated but there are also other providers too at lowendbox&#x2F;lowendtalk and I am interested to try out hetzner too sometime.
          • benjiro55 days ago
            And if you want to go even cheaper, check out Hetzner their EX63 (go to custom) &gt; 4x 7.68TB drives for like 140 Euro.<p>Not counting the fact that Netcup is raided (also Netcup is limited to 8TB on a VPS).<p>That is like 4.7 Euro &#x2F;TB. That is like 4$&#x2F;TB. 6 Euro &#x2F; TB in a raid 5 setup.<p>I do not understand why they are not using this new pricing model on their older servers. There the best you can get is like 10 Euro &#x2F;TB (for the single 15TB U.2).
          • lelanthran55 days ago
            &gt; Funny thing but netcup has $10 per 1 TB<p>Nice to know, but I was just <i>guessing</i> at what a reasonable price would be :-)