6 comments

  • avadodin1 hour ago
    The reasoning behind this is that birds have higher body temperature in our fever range.<p>They put mice infected with a flu virus modified to have the bird variant of a gene in an oven and the virus indeed didn&#x27;t degrade as much compared to the unmodified control.
  • valgor1 hour ago
    The threat of bird flu is so insane to me. It exists because we farm birds to eat. We are gambling with so many people&#x27;s lives just so we can continue eating birds when we could instead just eat something else. I know cultivated meat will help, but that is a ways away.
    • Insanity1 hour ago
      It’s like this with most animals that we have learned to live with in close proximity. Zoonotic viruses are responsible for many of our diseases today, but through natural selection we are adapted to many.<p>This is partly why European disease wiped out Native American populations to a large extent. Europeans carrying diseases from animals they lived closely with.
      • maxbond37 minutes ago
        But it&#x27;s not (just) about us living in close proximity to them, it&#x27;s about putting them in an environment that makes it impossible for them to live healthy lives and incubates potential zoonotic diseases.
        • Insanity32 minutes ago
          Which has been happening for centuries.<p>I’m actually not arguing against this being a bad idea though lol, just giving some historic trivia.
          • maxbond30 minutes ago
            We have not been factory farming for centuries. More like a century. And it hasn&#x27;t been a century with a sterling track record! I think we can all recall an event in recent memory where having a lot of animals in close proximity and unhealthy conditions went super duper wrong. And we have problems with new strains of bird flu every couple of years.
      • michaelteter20 minutes ago
        Living in close proximity is one thing, but growing them at the speed and scale which we do with factory farming must massively increase the rate of development of viruses. It’s almost as if we designed a special program just to develop a virus that would wipe us all out.<p>But hey, cheap food!
        • crooked-v19 minutes ago
          Not even cheap food, just cheap meat. We could still have plenty of cheap, salty, fatty food without the livestock.
          • chongli14 minutes ago
            Yeah. It&#x27;s very cheap to grow large amounts of canola seed, soybeans, potatoes, corn, and wheat to make all manner of high-salt, high-fat, high-carb junk food.
  • throwawayffffas1 hour ago
    There is a vaccine though.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.sky.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;uk-prepares-five-million-vaccine-doses-in-case-of-bird-flu-pandemic-13265880" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.sky.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;uk-prepares-five-million-vaccine-...</a>
    • gerdesj1 hour ago
      That&#x27;s a vaccine for one strain: H5N1. I&#x27;m sure birds have many more strains and variants of virus. I&#x27;m sure a proper virologist can dive in here ...<p>I think people assume that a fever is caused by an infection but my understanding is that a fever is a response to the infection. The body raises its temperature deliberately to destroy a viral infection, even though it is unpleasant, as well as deploying the other defenses.<p>It seems, according to this article, that these bird &#x27;flu infections are resistant to being cooked by a fever and that makes them more dangerous - we&#x27;ve lost a defense strategy.
      • goalieca44 minutes ago
        Everyone pops a Tylenol&#x2F;advil when they get a fever. Can’t be that bad.
  • cratermoon2 hours ago
    So much for the MAHA natural immunity line. No doubt avoiding ultraprocessed foods, seed oils, pesticides, and fluoride will keep bird flu at bay &#x2F;s.
    • msandford1 hour ago
      Why we keep killing the birds that survive the infection is beyond me. It&#x27;s an evolutionary pressure that we refuse to allow to work.<p>It&#x27;s almost as if we want to give the flu as many opportunities as possible to spill over, instead of just letting the birds who have immunity survive and thus basically drive the virus to extinction.
      • JumpCrisscross1 hour ago
        &gt; <i>Why we keep killing the birds that survive the infection is beyond me</i><p>We don’t know the reservoir capabilities of novel viruses, nor can we confidently rule when a previously-sick bird is well and non-infectious at scale.<p>&gt; <i>It&#x27;s an evolutionary pressure that we refuse to allow to work</i><p>We’re selecting against birds that get infected in the first place. (Probably to no tangible effect. But the goal isn’t to have birds that can survive a plague, it’s to prevent it in the first place.)
        • msandford35 minutes ago
          Thanks for the response! I agree that it&#x27;s not obvious the reservoir possibilities.<p>I don&#x27;t agree that we&#x27;re selecting against birds that get infected in the first place, or at least I don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s how it works. My understanding is that if any birds on a farm get sick, the whole house is killed. Maybe the whole farm.<p>To me that seems like selecting for lucky birds not selecting for populations that never get sick because lots of populations never get exposed.<p>I could be wrong on my understanding or how I interpret the impact, though, so I&#x27;m super open to learning more.
      • tdeck41 minutes ago
        Because it&#x27;s cheaper to fill the whole farm with foam and suffocate all the birds to death, then shovel them out.
      • MangoToupe8 minutes ago
        &gt; It&#x27;s an evolutionary pressure that we refuse to allow to work.<p>We also refuse to allow it to fail....
      • mikkupikku1 hour ago
        During the 20th century the American government (as well as others) put a lot of effort into finding ways to control people. Drugs, control of the media, MK Ultra and Mockingbird are just two examples of many. Everything more or less failed. Dosing unsuspecting civilians with LSD doesn&#x27;t have much useful effect.<p>But one thing worked, and they should have known it all along. Fear. If you can make people afraid, you can control them. They want us to fear birds. They want us to fear our neighbors. They want us to fear other governments, and faceless terror organizations that are probably hiding in your bushes outside, if you see something, say something!
        • jfengel1 hour ago
          They did know it all along. It&#x27;s been used since time immemorial.<p>But mass media and social media have given it new opportunities. Ironically I think we all expected that having access to more information would have been a tool against that, but it turns out to be much less effective at explaining fear than conjuring it.
        • BriggyDwiggs421 hour ago
          “They want us to fear birds” is wild man
          • bavent44 minutes ago
            Good thing birds aren’t real.
    • colechristensen1 hour ago
      Just don&#x27;t make comments like this here. Easy political snark doesn&#x27;t add to the conversation.
      • add-sub-mul-div1 hour ago
        We&#x27;ve let too many bad ideas leak into the Overton window. Not every idea deserves the participation trophy of being taken seriously.
        • JumpCrisscross1 hour ago
          &gt; <i>Not every idea deserves the participation trophy of being taken seriously</i><p>They are literally the ones bringing it up.
  • markus_zhang2 hours ago
    Can we simply remove fever and coughing somehow… super annoying and more dangerous than the virus themselves sometimes.
    • pengaru1 hour ago
      &gt; Can we simply remove fever and coughing somehow… super annoying and more dangerous than the virus themselves sometimes.<p>You&#x27;re basically asking to become a bat
      • paholg1 hour ago
        So we can also fly? Sign me up!
        • slater1 hour ago
          And echolocation! Time to form a queue.
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